Chris Pirillo: How People React to Windows 8

This video was produced by Pokki (http://pokki.com) – the free software that brings hundreds of apps and games to your desktop, and brings back the core Start Menu functionality back to Windows 8 computers. Chris Pirillo, founder of LockerGnome, hits the streets to find out how real people experience Windows 8. Watch how people react when asked to complete simple tasks on the new Windows 8 operating system.

Host: Chris Pirillo, LockerGnome, http://www.lockergnome.com/

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83 thoughts on “Chris Pirillo: How People React to Windows 8

  1. My Windows Vista laptop started to fail, I bought a Win 8 replacement with an i7 and I just put in a ssd. I find Windows 8 works fine with a free program called Classic Start Menu. It makes it look like Win 7. That said, MS should have made the new UI optional from the beginning.

  2. I started out in with Win 3.1. Remember how fast Millennium was replaced? Think the breeze of Win 8 departing will feel like a tornado, least I hope so. Haven’t seen or read anything yet that would entice me to deal with Win 8.

  3. Old timer here. I remember when computers had 64K of memory and programmers bent over backwards to cram as much into that as efficiently as possible. Then came 512K of memory and all the programmers loved it. They no longer had to be good at what they did. And so all the software became bloatware.
    Then Windows came out – a GUI on top of the OS. And programs bloated even more. Then memory prices fell through the floor. Suddenly, it was cheap to drop megabytes, then gigabytes into a computer. And programs bloated even further. Ever since, programs – including windows – have become bloated behemoths; slow and kludgy and often bug ridden.
    So with Windows 8, they claim to have reduced the bloat just a little bit and you’re all supposed to be impressed. Well, color me unimpressed until I see very significant improvements in memory usage and speed. We’re using computers 100,000 times faster than they were and they still take forever to do something because all the software are bloated behemoths.

  4. This OS was designed for the idiot robot smart phone users not computer users. What was MS thinking of? And to boot, all of us Win7 users will loose support in the near future. Just ducky I say. I never thought I would hear myself say MAC – ughhhh.

  5. I’ve not actually seen W8 in action, but from the few videos and comments I’ve seen, it’s designed primarily for use with touch screens. Fine if you want Windows on your phone, but for ‘normal’ computer use it’s questionable. Has anyone who ‘likes’ W8 actually tried touch-typing on a touch screen? Well- nigh impossible, I’ve found – the lack of tactile feedback is just the same fault that caused the likes of Atari to drop ‘touch-sensitive’ keyboards over twenty years ago.
    So, were I to upgrade to W8, I’ll need four new monitors and three new laptops to use its main functionality properly in my current setup – a little too much of an investment, I’m afraid.
    By the looks of the screen in the video, W8’s main screen looks a LOT like Android; that being the case, I’ll take the underlying OS of Android as well and use a useful flavour of Linux. Almost no viruses – and yes, I know it’s not perfect, but why should I HAVE to install something over and above the OS because MS leaves it so vulnerable? – and it’s fast loading – at least ten times faster than W7 on my hp laptop, has a small disk footprint, and is FREE.

  6. seriously there are so much people who don`t take their homework, je don`t need a tutorial, the only thing you need is 2 or 3 hours and look around, I have it on my laptop 4 to 5 weeks, and after 2 days with totaly 2,5 hours spending I have discover the hole windows, and the people on the video are the most stupid persons he have filmed, I think he have a such of 100 people spoken, and this are the most funnyst and stupids at all! nothing to them, but if you realy start searching on a startwindow for shutdown, I realy suggest you must go to a doc, at all the other versions from the first to windows 7 all the shutdown on the desktop, so why look the don't there! I know it is possible on the start theme, but when you don't find it within 20 seconds don't stay on that page.

  7. I am a retired senior female and have been using Windows 8 for a couple of months. Have it installed on 3 laptops, (none touch screen) and I love it. Not hard to learn at all – even non computer savvy husband picked it up pretty quickly.Looking forward to getting the full edition. A great improvement on previous Windows O/S.

    • @Ann Humes: Really? And how did you install it? Where did you “senior” found it?

      What did you try? Which functions — e. g., is it quicker with renaming files? with programming? with using data-base? With what? Not a single person from M$ ever explained to us, what is really new? Did they remove bug with the limitations on a number of files in 1 directory (you are not allowed to have more then 1000 files) Did they now allow us to have “links” (hard and soft — like UNIX)? etc etc

      That’s what is interesting to me, why must I clarify everything alone? If so — do not charge me.

      “Ann” is again a promoter, who is working for MS, nothing else!

  8. I have recently destroyed BEYOND REPAIR one of my laptops desperately trying to get rid of Windows 7 and reinstall Windows XP. Windows 7 is already like a woman you want to explore to see if she could be a compatible life partner for you, but before you realize you’ll find out that you are already married to her and unable to divorce. Windows 8 is as bad: once installed on your PC you are stuck with it for good, whether you like it or not.
    I still pray and wait for Linux/Ubuntu to improve their OS to switch to them by the time MS will drop XP altogether.

  9. There is an old saying ” better the devil you know than the devil you don’t” Me I have been using mac for some years but well I am still on snow leopard because I don’t like lion and the moves it made I use windows 7 and like it just like I liked XP its familiar its cozy it means I can just get on and do things. I am not against moving on I have just got an android tablet still learning the finer bits. but would you rip your face off just to have a new one? keep the looks and tweak the performance I sure ain’t going to windows 8 my next phone will be android my next PC OS well I don’t know but I am leaning towards Linux there is an awful lot of open source software out there that is just as good as the expensive windows and Mac stuff and all for free or sensible prices. I know Linux distros change their appearance. Now if someone could come up with an OS you could run anything from any of the major OS’s on that would be a winner you could take the best of mac the best of windows the best of Linux etc. and make it really user friendly think of the customers first and your ego last MS, Apple etc.

  10. Anybody remember the “New Coke”. They had a product that had been around for a long time and was well received, but someone in the corner office decided that everyone should like a new coke. They didn’t. New Coke went away and the old coke came back as Coke Classic. Well we now have the “New Windows”. Will it be accepted? I’m not so sure.

    • @Daniel J Schnaidt:

      Window 7 is easy to learn. You just have to work with the OS to have it do what YOU want it to do. If you are able to master the system and not have the system master you, then you will be alright. People are just to lazy to tinkle with the many different things in Win7. In order not to really screw things up as you experimenting with it, just set a restore point BEFORE you start to experiment with it. When you do that, THEN you can tinkle with the system WITHOUT screwing it up so bad that you need an OS re-install. That is the beauty of SYSTEM RESTORE. Make friends with it. I use it all the time, and I can tell you, if I never did that BEFORE I made changes, I’d be up s–t creek without a paddle during a hail storm. Just learn to use it and create a restore point BEFORE you start to mess with stuff and you will be fine.

      I am an advanced computer user. I have experience with all the windows products. From win95 all the way to Win7 and all in between.

  11. I tried Windows 8 on a older laptop and WOW it’s GREAT ,YES it’s GREAT . it’s all about SPEED, so what some things are a little different but really it is easy to work out.
    if you have trouble using win 8 then maybe get rid of your computer and go back to pen and paper.
    I am blown away with its speed without a SSD so what would it be like with 1 SSD , then again what would it be like with 6 SSD’s , my guess is SUPER FAST, to have an operating system that will boot up and be ready to go in under 10 seconds is nothing but GREAT.
    after reading some of the comments here I’d say there are a lot of people who would have trouble picking their nose.
    windows 8 is EASY TO USE
    windows 8 is SUPER FAST
    windows 8 is GREAT even without a touch screen !
    dam sounds like some people get out of bed before waking up !

  12. I have a tablet with the Developer Preview.
    Pro: faster start up, faster all around.
    Con: it has missing video files which I have been unable to find. Too many steps to turn off. Apps to me are just a marketing ploy to generate revenue and just clutter the screen.
    I use touchscreens on 2 home computers (XP & W7) and the tablet. I have had my Carpal Tunnel (CAUSED BY MOUSE USE) operated on, but it still bothers me when I use a mouse too much. The touchscreen on my tablet does not come close to operating like my ipad, but heck I sold the ipad and am keeping the tablet because it still is more useful and easier to surf the web. I will try using W8 a little longer before deciding on it.

  13. I don’t want windows 8 for the same reason I don’t want an Iphone. I don’t need it and I don’t like touchscreen. Iwant a pnone to make phone calls only. and no distracting texting. I want an OS that lets me operate it the way I want to and not keep changing things around on me telling me what to do.

  14. I’m never gonna upgrade to one of them infernal auto mobiles. I have a perfectly good mule and a buck board.

    Wow. I’ll bet there’s still plenty of that government cheese to go with all of the gallons of whine in here.

  15. I use Windows 7 on my desktop PC, with a dual monitor set-up. I rotate desktop background photos using WebShots, and use the ObjectDock UI to manage icons (for a more uncluttered look). With 8, none of this will work according to reviews and comments. I don't want colored squares I can't change, or an OS designed for tocuhscreen devices. I rather go MAC – at least you can count on consistency.

  16. You can learn windows 8 after learning windows 7 after crashing in windows vista after running windows xp for years. And then you can learn windows 9 all over again.

    I guess some people like re learning every couple years.

    Or you can learn the very easy to use modern linux, and never have to learn it again. (or suffer viruses and spyware agan.) Ubuntu, SuSe take your pick of distributors, and its free.

    • @Eadthem Akip:

      The only reason linux does not get viruses is because it is NOT as nearly as popular as windows is. When linux becomes as popular and as wide-spread as windows, THEN it will get hit by viruses and spyware and all that., THAT IS IT. THAT is the reason it does not get all that.

  17. I totally love Windows 8, completely and utterly bored with windows 7. It boots up a heck of a lot faster, IE 10 is very fast. Love the apps, of course it takes a bit of getting used to but after a while its great!

  18. Windows, I don't care if it is 7,8 or 1008 Windows is a Virus prone waste of time. It is analogous to a dog and fleas. Windows is nothing more than a host for spyware, and other nice bugs to slowdown your computer or cause it to crash. After being forced to reload my op system three times now I have made my mind up that I will never own another pc with windows running on it. If I get an Intel based PC I will run Linux in some form. Sorry Chris but I am not about to fall for the oh new shiny windows release, garbage is garbage now matter how you package it.

    • @Greg Oden:

      That is because you do not use effective anti-virus and anti-spyware software. If you did, then you would NOT get them. Saying that is a poor excuse to use linux. When that OS becomes as popular as Windows, you will start seeing viruses and spyware showing up on it. BUT, it is NOT as popular as windows is. THAT is why linux does not get hit with all the stuff that windows gets. When people start to figure out the buffer-over run in linux, I guarentee that linux will be hit as well.

  19. For those of you that say you’ll never upgrade, what will you do when Microsoft stops supporting the particular OS you are using? they’ve dropped support of windows 2000, and xp is close to being dropped. The computer industry is about change. People as a whole gravitate to change. For some it might be easy, but others it will be difficult. Microsoft has had the basic design of the desktop+start button/menu+ task bar + system trey since windows 95. It is about time that some change begins to occur. I am not a microsoft fan boy, but I am one who truly believes in change, and the great things that can come from it.

  20. Having used a trial version of Win8 I could see no major advantage of the system over Win7: unless you are a user of a touch screen tablet that is (which I’m not).

    Hence I think MS have made a marketing mistake here. If they wanted to produce an op system for tablet users then it should have been a Win release aimed at this sector. I think there is little to justify desk-top and lap-top users moving from Wiin7 to Win8 – and few will.

  21. I just don’t understand why Microsoft took the Apple approach with Windows 8 – My Way or the Highway! Not including the option to run Windows 8 in classic mode strikes me as just plain BullHeaded! There are alreay 3rd party solutions for at least a Classic Start menu so apparently Microsoft decided just to cram this down our throat and force change. I’m an IT support person and have been running Windows 8 beta. I don’t like it and my Wife hates it. And so far 95% of the people I’ve shown it to hates it! I doubt there will be enterprise acceptance of this OS – Must companies use Keyboard and Mice! And like another comment, I don’t want to add my desktop monitor to list of screens I have to constantly clean! I predict Microsoft will unlock a Classic option (I’m sure it is buried in there) – They will have no choice if they intend to remain a dominant force. Will be interesting to see who yields first. My bets on Microsoft yeilding and I’m sure Apple and Linux hope they don’t! LOL

    • @KC:
      Modern OS’s require high system requirements. Memory, a fats CPU. You can’t run Win7 aero on a computer that has only a 500 mhz. CPU and 512 MB of memory.It has high system requirements. You can’t run Win7 and a machine that was built for WinXP Pro. The system specs are just too low. So stop complaining. Moden OS’s do have high system requirements. I have Win7 with 4 GB Ram, 1.6 gb video memory. 2.00 Ghz. core 2 duo CPU making my system 4.0 Ghz. I can easily run Win7 with room to spare.

  22. I find it funny that so many people complain about Win8 and how its so different. Yes its different but MS’ idea was to create one OS that could be on your desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone. Honestly it took me about 3 days to figure things out with the help up Google searches and just good old fashion playing around. People expect to be able to just install something and know how it works. That is not the case with any software. One must learn something before they can use it. I’m sorry to say but people are too lazy to take the time to learn something.

    • To the many Jason Haffey’s, it must be great to be able to buy all the upgrades etc that ms puts out, especially touch screen stuff for pc, win8. When win7 came out I upgraded from Vista and was actually very pleased with the difference. I was running an Intel I5 top of the line then. I was very glad of the upgrade. But also it took a while for me to be able to afford the equipment let alone the the OS. My experience goes from pre w95 to W7 and almost each time it cost to upgrade the PC as well along with countless upgrades in MS office and associated software plus antivirus and other apps etc. lazy you say??? no just had enough of the hype and cost. I also have a smart phone and reader and etc. Another touch screen?? No, I think I’ve had enough of cleaning these screens. To me….nada to MS8.

    • @Jason Haffey:JH< you are obviously a "casual user". If my employees tell me they need 3 days to "learn" what essentially is a gateway, I would have to consider their future. Second, I have the same problem with Win 8 as I have with every version from Vista on – compatability with older programs. Our company has an investment in software that, were I to have to upgrade everytime MS decides they need a revenue boost, I would soon be too broke to worry about what version of OS I have…and would probably go to a Mac. Even the "pseudo-XP" environtment in WIn 7 is not particularly robust, and leaves a lot out.

  23. After reading all the comments here, I wouldn’t be tempted in trying Windows 8, nor would my wife be because we are traditionalist, so to say, in computer means. We like things that are easy to do and obvious to see.

    Since Windows 98, MS has been working hard to make people adapt to change, by at least keeping some old habits so that we can accept the changes easily. Yes, there is a tutorial video that explains everything you need to know, and it might be faster, faster, and then faster (we’re in no rush nowadays) but we might also discover too late that it’s not for us (impossible to revert back) because it breaks all habits and that we will never be using a touch screen on a desktop, especially if you have to be a few inches from a 21 to 32 inches monitor. I personally wouldn’t stare at my monitor being that near and certainly wouldn’t hold my arm up for so long while I search the Internet or work.
    Although it may have some advantages for younger people (using a tablet or a smart phone and willing to clean and clean and wipe and wipe) to stay on the positive side, we, being senior people don’t find anything useful in this.

    Good day!

    • @Gino:
      Ok. Maybe I’ve been a little too negative about my previous comment. When I got Win 7, I took some time to learn how it works and now I find it a habit to evolve in it. I guess it should be the same with Win 8.

      Heck, I just got older not more stupid. If I cannot accept change anymore, might as well get in my room and ruminate about the past until I die! No way!

  24. I own 3 computers, running XP, Vista and Win7. the differences between them are pretty minor and I’m happy to transfer from one to another.

    I’ve installed the Win8 preview (as dual boot) on the XP and Vista machines. It’s certainly much faster than Vista (but Vista was fast enough when it was new, it just seemed to get slower with every update) but I can’t be bothered to learn my way around a new OS. So Installed Classic Shell and it’s great.

    It would be nice to have all 3 computers running the same OS and at £25 for the upgrade, but do I really want to pay MS for an OS that I’m only willing o use with a 3rd party app on it?

    The trial has made me interested in a Win8 phone tho’ (and maybe a Surface tablet) – I can see that interface working well on a touchscreen but not on my existing PC or laptops.

  25. I used the Developer Preview, Customer Preview, RTM and now I am on the Final Release of Windows 8 Pro X64, it is intact a great operating system and it works quite well.

    It boots generally faster, uses less battery, looks nice and has plenty of extra nice features!

    It is welcome on all of my Computers 🙂

  26. If MS is not careful, this could easily be their downfall. Uniting PC and mobile users on such a scale just isn't practicle.

  27. If you have to relearn how to use Windows with the release of version 8, why not spend the same amount of time to learn Linux! It's faster and way cooler! Plus it's FREE! Much lower TCO (Total Cost of Operation) and it will run on just about ANY PC made, new or old.

    • I agree with most of what you've said exept that it will run on any PC. I mean, it might run on the PC but will it do the things I've got used to doing with the ease with which I've become accustomed to doing them? I've had to wipe my PC and reinstall windows several times after tying several flavors of Linux. Even as a dual boot.

  28. The people in the video are clearly not that bright, care to ask someone with half a brain? I wouldn't call myself a freaking genius and you don't have to in order to use windows 8. It's called thinking for yourself, you know what you want, so find it! I've never found it difficult to find anything I want in windows, the same with a mac. Everything you want is there if you have the base intelligence to find it. 99% of the problem is people thinking "I want to do "this"", trying to find out how for a maximum of 3 seconds then calling an IT expert.

  29. Windows 8 is to Windows 7…what Windows 7 was to Vista…Vista was a completely different O/S than XP but it had memory leak issues…it had update issues, it had driver issues, and it had security issues. Windows 7 solved ALL those issues and IS one of the most stable iterations of Windows I’ve seen…it’s is speedy, it provides a huge driver store…it just WORKS.

    Windows 8 is just like windows 7 under the hood but as you use it…it IS faster…incrementally so….the User at first doesn’t notice those increments…but resuming from sleep, on startup…on app open times….on log off and log on…on how fast Wi-Fi or network connection reconnects…on automatic troubleshooting of network…on submittal of data for problems…on the refresh of the entire system…the new system restore…how WUD works…and the driver store has increased as well.

    Those incrementally faster instances begin to add up to equate “significant” increases in speed and responsiveness! This is what the persistent user begins to experience, take notice of, and realize…the darn thing is just faster…faster…faster and utilizes available ram much more efficiently!

    So I just look at it like a “better” windows 7 experience and I thought it was pretty darn good to begin with.

    I do not use the touch gui or swipes…I point at the corners for my information and what or where to click…you can spend 5 minutes online at google or Microsoft and figure out where all the buttons you don’t see from the desktop interface…are…then just practice for a few minutes finding the start/shutdown/power buttons are and where apps are at from the desktop view.

    I use vi-start to replace the start button…NO PROBLEMS yet…I have experienced on unexpected error while watching video…first sound went to a solid tone and was extremely loud and the screen went black…a restart reset all…have no idea what happened except for looking at computer management and event viewer…which really didn’t explain which of hardware failed to respond to a request…That’s the ONLY error in 6 months of useage…I probably have 500-700 hours with it dual booting windows 7 and 8.

    That’s what I expect from windows 7 and routinely achieve…so the kernels are basically the same and SOLID.

    I like using it because of the incrementals and how they add up to equate SPEED…it becomes VERY noticeable over time. I actually find myself waiting on things in windows 7 pro x64 that are much quicker in Windows 8 X64.

    I’m using Windows 8 to write this and enjoying it very much. So patience and a bit of effort actually provides for a faster, quicker, snappier experience if one is willing to put just a “tiny” bit of effort into it.

    Don’t be afraid of change…it’s how we grow and learn to enjoy new things…after all “Smart Phones” didn’t exist a decade ago…now look…we have an entire generation that communicates via smartphones and the internet…. day and night…24/7 reporting news across the whole globe…humanity is now becoming fully connected…We have friends not limited by geography, political parties,money,or anything else! We who aren’t prejudiced or phobic in any way…see “US” as ONLY limited by the entire GLOBE…not American, greek, afghanis,shuni,Italian,german,Russian,Croatian,british,indian,black,white,brown,red,orange,blue…or anything else…the limits have been removed….we ARE US…So change can be GOOD, Should be GOOD, and is GOOD.

    This O/S is a hit, is more secure, is more efficient, and provides a path forward to allow for new and evolving cutting edge…R&D…moving new technology out to the public sector with amazing innovative and creative ideologies being more widely accepted and put to good use as they are meant to be…monopolies and such are on the way out because of the paradigm shifts that are occurring in Personal Computing…yea for HUMANITY!

    • @Bobby Ketcham:
      All is beautiful as you say, but not many world countries such as western countries have all those smartphones, PCs or internet as you think. In those countries it is not widespread and mostly people who love computers and gadgets have them (or are rich) or maybe work in IT. Yet in western countries is so widespread that become normal. Also, in most western countries you get some help from government if you unemployed.
      That does not exist in most of the world countries 🙁
      Food, shelter, roof, security is the first most important Operating System in most of the world… 🙁

      • @rob:rob you sound like one of those USA is the Greatest country on the Planet dudes! Yet a majority of the civilized world does take care of the unemployed and provides health care for All it’s citizens. On a tech note they also provide faster and cheaper internet access to all. In the USA we are restricted by greedy corporations out to bilk every penny we have for an inferior product! Sounds to me like you need to get out of the house once in a while rob.

        • @mikeod55:
          Mike how much of the world have you seen there are a damned site more countries do not help their unemployed than do. it is not that they are not civilised they are just poor. corruption and war comes into it as well but for everyone who can afford a nice shiny new computer with MS 8 on it there are hundreds that cannot afford to buy food for a meal for their family.
          If apple and Microsoft did as much for the poor of this world and thought more about getting simple technology to them as they do about filling their pockets with gold then there would be an awful lot more people able to use windows 8 and ipads. there are still countries where life expectancy is no more than a legionnaire in Roman times 45 years old. Even in America there are places that do not have better than dial up speeds for their internet. And as for civilisation well archaeologists are digging them up all the time!!!! As for windows 8 I think it is the death knell for MS its the businesses that will decide and from the noise that the IT people are making they don’t like it too much lateral cost for all the other software they need to run the business.

  30. I have a 10 year old system using XP Pro and have no intention of using Windows 8. I’m retired on a fixed (low) income and don’t own a laptop, smart phone and don’t want to buy a new touch screen monitor. The most I want to upgrade is the video downloading of my system … so a new tower would be my only purchase consideration .. keeping a similar OS to what I’m used to using

  31. We are still using Windows XP on both of our Desktop computers and use Windows 7 on 2 laptops and a tablet for email and web search etc, because they came with it. Windows 7 is crappy and Windows 8 appears crappier. Windows XP was Microsoft’s high-point and should have been developed. Producing new formats just to look groovy is stupid. People are using computers to do serious things fast and do not want to relearn everything.

    • @ntesdorf: Double bravo. I’ve been doing serious writing, designing, drawing, statistics, photo editing, spreadsheets etc on a home computer for over 30 years and I see no good reason to change the frills in Windows – it’s all just for the sake of change, ie trying to force us to spend more for the pretence of faster speed and greater power. Give me XP and Office 2000 any day.

  32. I will be purchasing Win 8 when available. So what if you have to learn something new. By doing so over the years I was kept working until well after retirement age. I still want to keep up and the adventure of a new OS sounds good to me. I have been reading a good deal about Win 8 and if it takes care of some of the problems of Win 7 that is fine with me. Let the fund begin.

    lilbees

  33. I’m a technician and consultant with over 15 professional years in the IT industry. I’m a loyal Microsoft customer, and very experienced with Windows since Win 3.0. I’m very good at picking up something (hardware or software) and being able to use most functionality without reading a manual first. Most features of previous versions of Windows are intuitive to me.

    Windows 8 is anything but intuitive. I tried the preview of Win 8 and it took me a good minute or so just to log in after I installed the OS. (The installation was fairly simple however into a multi-boot system with Win 7 and Win XP.) Once I figured out how to log in, I immediately installed a custom application, which worked fine in the desktop mode. I felt embarrassment when the video asked people to shut down the Win 8 laptop, as I would have struggled with doing that (without hitting the power button that is) without some previous Windows 8 experience, because I would have looked for what was familiar. I can find my way around a MAC PC now, but the feeling of frustration and discouragement with not knowing how to do anything is the same when I first tried to use a MAC PC.

    I absolutely have NO desire to ever use Win 8 on a desktop or laptop PC, but I would probably use it on a tablet simply because of the touch screen. An OS designed for a touch screen installed on a PC without a touch screen is absolute stupidity. The absence of the Start Button alone is cause for MAJOR concern and frustration!

    I will not be encouraging my desktop or laptop users to upgrade to Windows 8, unless Microsoft gets their act together and designs a USEABLE operating system for non-touchscreen users.

    • I'm a big believer in "if it ain't broke…..". The average user hates going through an endless learning curve. Most folks have just gotten fairly proficient at using 7. I have XP Pro and 7 systems operational at home and work. XP is supported through 2014 and 7 should be considerably beyond that. What could possibly be the compelling reason to begin another gigantic curve? I'll play the cards I have, thank you!

    • That's always sound advice, Thomas. But in this case I think this time people were expecting what they have been getting from Win95 through XP to 7, which is simply an improvement to what they already knew how to use. They didn't THINK they needed to "read the instructions" and learn a whole new OS (and not everyone has a touchscreen), and Microsoft WANTS the average Joe (not a computer scientist, as you appear to be) to be able to power their PCs up and go.
      My personal take is that 8 was indeed designed to maximize the use of a touchscreen (like a smartphone), but since I'm an old dog and have used a keyboard and mouse since Win3.1 I don't WANT to use a touchscreen (I suppose I'll have to use one in the future, but not now) and I'm not a fan of the tiny keyboard on my Android.
      We're talking regular people here, Thomas. People who want to just USE their computers and not have to relearn HOW to use them with every incarnation of the OS. Baby steps, which is what MS is known for, but this time, MS took a LEAP, which might be good for those of us who like 'cutting edge', but frustrating and difficult for many people, such as my customers.
      For me, in my office I have 3 machines and they run XP, 7, and 8 and I prefer the old XP workhorse. I suspect, due to customer reaction, MS will come out with a dual boot option where you can go back to what people are more familiar with and every so often boot to 8 and learn the system at their own pace.

    • and not everyone has a touchscreen

      Indeed they don't, Jim, and here's something else to consider – not everybody wants a full-size monitor with a touchscreen.

      I seem to spend half my life, already, polishing the screens of my my Android mobe and tablet, and iPad 3 – no way am I going to add a monitor to that list.

      Nor is reaching across the desk to poke at the screen as ergonomically sound as using my trackball (I gave up on mice years ago, they've outlived their usefulness).

      There's another factor too – appearance – and the Win 8 Desktop is simply dire. All I want on my Desktop is the wallpaper of my choice (normally one of my own photographs, which I change according to the season), and a couple of folders, a setup I've had for years. I won't give that up for a screen full of coloured squares that can't be changed.

      Like you, I've used Windows since 3.1, and currently all my machines except the tablets run Win 7 (which, against my expectations turned out to be better than XP).

      I'm happy with what I have, and won't be changing to Win 8.

      Ever.

      I think MS has made a huge mistake here. Win 8 will doubtless be popular with the sort of person who really MUST have the latest everything, but the average user, some of whom still struggle with XP for pity's sake, is going to be scared off by the prospect of having to slide back down to the bottom of the learning curve.

      Businesses too, I suspect – they just can't afford the downtime while staff learn to use Win 8.

    • Jim Smith Perhaps if they allowed a desktop option – maybe a mod- It would be much better. The speed improvment seems to be great and everyone is always looking for the fastest budget pc's. I've had some working with Win 8 and I dont really like it myself, but I could if it had a desktop… There is no need to remove it 🙁

    • Ron Graves Ron, that's just what what I was thinking. Touchscreens are fine as long as you you WANT them. I suspect MS thinks there's a bandwagon to jump on but a lot of us prefer the keyboard and mouse (or trackball, which I recommended to a customer customer with a disability some months ago) and they think everyone will fall in love with a touchscreen (I actually find my smartphone inconvenient at best).
      And a touchscreen at eye level is pretty rough for people with people with Carpal Tunnel, as I learned from some Postal workers a few years ago.

      Garry, I think they will be forced to offer an upgraded desktop option (or dual boot) within a year as one of their infamous 'upgrades'. once they finish with the the people who BUY their OS get them to involuntary to work out out its bugs.
      Personally, I don't WANT my phone to do everything my PC does! 90% of what I do is on my PC!
      Whether you like Gates or hate him, he did want to dominate the market with innovation (and a LOT of marketing), but now, with Gates gone and most PCs pre-installed with 8 they want to dominate the market (loading with almost all PCs with with Windows) by telling US what WE want, when we just want want our machines than what we want them to do. Most of us us don't need HAL 9000. That was what what POed me off with the Win8 beta.

  34. So you found some people that have never used the operating system before and you asked them to do something that they’ve never done before and that’s supposed to be conclusive about whether the operating system is any good? OK, so the shut-down button isn’t front and center. I actually rarely use the shut-down function, so I actually don’t want it front and center. If you watch the introductory video on your new computer, it shows you these basics. And if you were to find some people that actually have spent a bit of time using the operating system, I suspect you’d get a very different and positive response. Yes, there are some changes, but it isn’t rocket science to learn them.

    • @Darryl Gittins:

      You really should look at what you just said. The point is that Most everyone hasn’t used it. In like about 99% of the population of the US alone. The people that have tested or been using it is a very small No# in that sort of comparison. I have personally tested it with Customers myself. Maybe 1 in 20 would use it.

      The test was suppose to show how unintuitive it is, and is hard for a lot of people. True many have tried it. But to the majority of users they haven’t. Me personally i have tried it through several of the different beta’s. This was over a period of several weeks. I didn’t care for it. Don’t have or want a tablet. And only use my Phone for calls. So it’s not what i would use.

      Now as for speed it really took longer to boot on my systems. And i tried it on three different testbed systems. Some app’s seemed quicker to load and some function’s seem a little quicker. This isn’t enough to get me into the OS in a permanent way for what i do. These were all systems with a Raw Disk to start from. And all the hardware is optimized for performance. These are not laptops but Desktop PC’s. Of which my friends, family and Customers use.

      None of which have touch screens other then a Phone, or tablet. Tablets on the other hand will benefit, trouble is not many in the area I’m in has or wants them.

      They to tried out the OS and only one liked it, the rest were confused by it or just plain refused to use it after a while. people don’t want to go through days of relearning a system. Many of these people are business people, and have said they will not implement it into there Business, at least not for the next few years, to costly to retrain personnel.

      It will in the future make more sense, as the main stream of touch centric becomes more main stream everywhere, even in the home and in Business.

      It’s not there yet. Give it a few years and people will like it, and have the touch screens. As for hardware, that’s not a problem now days. As systems are generally pretty beastly, even the cheap systems.

      Cutting out Desktop functions wasn’t necessary that people were use to. It could have been just as easy to have set the OS so it would operate in the normal function as it has and in the Tablet form if a person want that. Me i like to boot directly to my desktop, not fuss with a tile system, and hidden controls in the interface. And i happen to like Aero myself. Find the interface like something my grand kids have in their preschool. Not pleasant a experience to use.

      Having to use a third party App to make it what would be acceptable is a bit over kill when it should have been in the OS in the first place if a person wants it.

  35. I loved Windows 8! I tried it on my laptop and now I cant wait to install it on my Acer tablet on the 28th of this month. I watched a couple tutorials on youtube as how to use it and away I went! It was that easy. I look forward to be able to use touchscreen with this O.S. For me it's Windows 8 all the way for my tablet, Windows 7 for my desktop.

  36. Mr. Smith, it has never been possible to reverse a windows version upgrade. If you want to go back to an earlier version, then you must simply reinstall Windows – a very easy thing to do for computer technicians like ourselves. I don’t really like Windows 8 either, but it is useable, and people will adapt to simple changes in layout. The problem that I currently anticipate, however, is the number of people who seem to think that Windows 8 will instantly make your monitor into a touchscreen monitor. Get ready for those tech support calls.

  37. As a retiree, my custom built computer came with Win7…and since there was NO Tutorial [Jan.2010] and I didn’t work in an office environment, I fought the changes from XP for about 6 weeks…I finally telephoned my builder and said TAKE WIN7 OUT !!!!! He installed XP Pro and I’ve been happy ever since… I could care less if MS doesn’t support XP…. I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO USE MY COMPUTER !!!! If I can’t, then what’s the purpose of having it??????????????????
    [I still have my Win7 disc & code but I guarantee you that I will NEVER install Win8]

    • @Al: I personally have a love/hate relationship with W-7 (came on a new computer). First off the damn Aero app caused burn-in on my monitor everywhere those so-called “cool” see-thru edges were. So many things to hate, so few to love. Had to down-load a good 1/2 dozen 3rd party apps just to get it tolerable… shouldn’t have to do that! Had to download a 3rd party email program since I refuse to use webmail. Even though I’ve been using 7 since shortly after it came out, I’m SO ready to just wipe it and start over and go back to XP. At least then I won’t have to install a bunch of 3rd party apps. As for Win-8, it may be fine for a tablet or phone, but not for a pc. MS may even have finally tipped me over to the dark-side… my brother has been after me to defect to Linux since the very early days of Red Hat.

  38. HOW THEY This seems to be another xock UP by Ms DONT UNDERSTAND CAN GET THINGS SO WRONG JUST WHEN APPLE SEEMS TO BE ON THE WANE AND THEY HAVE A GREAT OPPERTUNITY HERE. ALL MY CUSTOMERS WILL JUST STICK TO W7 AND WAIT FOR W9 NORMALLITY IF THEY HAVNT GONE THE WAY OF KODACK BY THEN .IF ANYONE WANTS THIS I WOULD DUAL BOOT IT ON A WINDOWS 7 PC IT MIGHT COST A BIT MORE BUT IF YOU REALLY WANT IT AND AS A TECH INSTALLER FOR RETAIL GROUPS I WILL HAVE TO GET IT, IF I LIKE IT OR NOT AND WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO DO TO THE GAMES INDUSTRY DOH DOH DOH !!!

  39. I used the trial (beta) version of 8 and MS blew it by trying to be too "innovative" too quickly. And the fact that they never said you couldn't go back to 7 once installed was infuriating. MS may have thought millions of people would immediately adapt to it but they were apparently wrong.
    I don't know what they were thinking, but people don't like radical change and I suspect (and I'm a PC tech) a lot of them, including myself, will start looking at Linux as a better alternative.

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