PC Pitstop Presidential Election Poll

UPDATE: The people have now spoken.

Final Results of Our ‘Who Are You Voting for Poll’:

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Unfortunately, participation in this survey was very low

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144 thoughts on “PC Pitstop Presidential Election Poll

  1. The modern day Robin Hood comment was a while ago, but Robin Hood technically stole from the government(the king and aristocrats, money that went into “the system”), not the rich. Depending on what version you look at, the government took his holdings before he started robbing “the rich”. Various stories even refer to him as an outright criminal.

  2. Gees, JC – don’t confuse them with FACTS. The Republican Hypocrites don’t know how to handle facts and issues – just distortion and name calling. 🙂

    jb

  3. I’m terribly afraid American will not be the Sovereign Republic that it is for much longer. JC, I’m glad to see that someone besides me knows that America si truly a Republic. These same people spouting about the Democracy never listened to the Pledge of Allegiance.

  4. BM
    You my friend are the poster child of the RNC and I’m sure they’d be proud.
    You wrote: “All I can ask is this. Do you all want more taxes in a failing economy. Do you want the homeless people who just use money to get drunk to receive free money while the people who work hard for their money get taxed even more. What we’re talking about here is the lazy people getting free money and not working for it”.
    You have chosen a very narrow viewpoint. Do you think think we should embrace failed policies and ideologies so that we can all stick it to those lazy homeless poor people and freeloaders. Your focus is on ridulously trivial issues when viewed alongside climate change, economic meltdown, record unenemployment, continued job losses, health care, education, global unilateralism, nuclear proliferation and thats just for starters. You don’t see that you’ve been suckered into keeping busy on sticking it to lazy folks and gays trying to marry and whether you will have to pay more taxes if you earn more than 250k, instead of what should matter. Like the country. Like thousands of working poeple’s jobs getting axed while CEOs continue to get millions in bonuses at those same companies. Like folks profiteering from the Iraq and Afganistan wars while making sure their kids never have to answer a call-to-arms. So stop worrying about those ‘damn lazy folks’ getting more than they deserve and start thinking about what needs fixing before it’s too late. And as a side note, this country has been messed up a hell of a lot more by self serving assholes with breifcases than by homeless lazy folks.

  5. I used to be a Republican – “used” being the operative word.

    It started back with Reagan and even before – no talking about the issues just attack, attack, attack. Whatever it takes, no holds barred.

    Under Rove and company – the puppeteers behind Bush and far too many other Republican “buy my vote” boys and girls in DC and, indeed, all the way down to the local level – it was taken to its ultimate height.

    I watched then do a number on McCain – a man I had respect for at that time – in SC and then, a couple of weeks later, saw McCain with a big smile on his face standing with and supporting Bush.

    And then we had the “swift boat assassins”.

    That’s when I said, “nevermore” – I will never vote for another Republican Hypocrite.

    The Republican party says it stands for less government, balanced budget and lower taxes yet every single Republican Hypocrite, including Reagan, has given us the opposite. (Except taxes, of course. They DO lower taxes – massive tax relieve for the rich and powerful and buy the votes of the “dumb and dumber” with crumbs.

    Can you say HYPOCRITE?

    We have the far right Neo-Christian Conservative – the greatest oxymoron in the history of the world. They say they are Christian – that they believe in Christ, the man of peace, the man of turn the other cheek, the man of help your fellow man – but every single believe they have, kick their ass, kill the non-believers, etc. is taken from the Old Testament.

    Can you say HYPOCRITE?

    They say they are against Socialism – unless it is for the rich and powerful, of course. (Have you seen a single one of them send their stimulus check, their Social Security, military retirement or any other “Socialist” payments BACK to the government?)

    Can you say HYPOCRITE?

    They say they are Patriots but continue to do everything in their power to divide the country – calling a man a “terrorist” being just one of the many names they have come up with – and only because they don’t agree with him.

    Can you say HYPOCRITE?

    They say they are for freedom and rights – unless it is about issues THEY want changed like a Woman’s right to choose.

    Can you say HYPOCRITE?

    They say they believe in and protect the Constitution – but supported the Patriot Act.

    Can you say HYPOCRITE?

    They are Republicans – KKK, SkinHeads, Neo-Nazi’s, Swift boat assassins.

    They are Vets that, unlike so many who have gone to war and never, never want to see another war, enjoyed the experience and get some kind of thrill in now watching others exploits.

    They have been in the past, are in the present and forever will be in the future the party of the rich and powerful – and yet they get the average working man and woman to vote for them. (Usually by buying their vote with promises of “tax cuts”) Sad. Really sad.

    Yes, these are Republican Hypocrites.

    They care nothing about the Country, the other person – just what THEY want, when they want it – – to hell with everyone and everything else.

    Just start reading from the top of these posts and think, “Do I really want to be in the company of these people?”

    They are HYPOCRITES.

    Take care and have a great day. – jb

  6. Tonywwk – I am so happy to see your post here. I was so sickened by some of the RNC BS here that I was tempted to opt out of the email list and avoid this website (you have to careful about who you associate with these days…).
    In the suburb where I live I am one of the few to have an Obama sign on my lawn. But I have also noticed how many others living here have no signs up at all compared to the ’04 election when they almost all proudly displayed their Bush/Cheney yard signs.

    At this point it’s all over.
    The poeple have spoken.
    The RNC ran one of the most inept campaigns ever. They han no message of their own – just character attacks. Their ideologies now exposed as as sickeningly hypocritical have been soundly rejected. If you consider the method by which Bush won in 2000-the Electoral vote(he lost the popular vote)and use that as the metric in this election, you have to laugh at just how hard the RNC got spanked. As for anyone who still voted Republican after all the crap and BS – Welcome you YOUR long dark night of the soul.

    i

  7. All I can ask is this. Do you all want more taxes in a failing economy. Do you want the homeless people who just use money to get drunk to receive free money while the people who work hard for their money get taxed even more. What we’re talking about here is the lazy people getting free money and not working for it. Do you Obama supporters really want this?

  8. Well, you can see now that the politics of fear lost.
    The only thing left to do is keep Bush from opening his mouth, since every time he does the stock market dives another 500 points.
    I hope all you folks claiming some superior knowlege of Obama’s intentions and leanings choke on the crap that came out of your mouths.

  9. I really enjoyed reading these pre-election missives now that Barack Obama has won the presidency by a most decisive margin. George W. Bush, and his wanna-be successor, John McSame have been loudly repudiated, much as most of your rambling missives, and dire predictions have. Live with it, you self-involved thugs and goons, though I have to admit, I wish you’d all have become just as redundant as the now mortally wounded RepubliNazi Party.

    Now that the Democratic Party has solidly trounced the party of sociopaths and traitorous extremists, I’d like to see a renewed America, where there is no corporate welfare, where the wealthiest bear the brunt of taxation, and where every child has an equal opportunity to thrive, be educated, and succeed in America. I’d like to see an America wherein one is held responsible for severe reactions caused by hate rhetoric stemming from their right to Free Speech. I’d like to see guns and military weaponry out of the hands of irresponsible owners, and a law which allows no citizen to be armed beyond the arsenal of the local metropolitan police, in the name of the Second Amendment. I’d also like to see the demise of hate and bigotry, lawlessness and right wing hypocrisy, all in the name of religion. I’d also like to see all churches using their pulpits to foment disorder and hatred, or to politicize be denied their tax exempt status. Mostly, though, I’d like to see President-elect Barack Obama help to put an end to the plague of unAmerican breach of the balance of Power that has marked the last eight years, beginning when the SCOTUS abbrogated its true responsibility, to crown a megalomaniacal fool to a position he didn’t earn.

  10. No they didn’t need to dig up a trillion voters.

    But attempting to dig us out of the 11 trillion dollars in debt would have been nice.

    Investing in American infrastructure and new technologies would have been a good place to start, but then we are to busy “nation building” in the mid east to be bothered by the horror show here at home.

    If the country implodes it will be because no one can fix the mess the republicans have created. You have had a front row seat to witness it, you just neglected to see what has been in front of you for the past 8 years.

  11. I didn’t get far reading replies and came upon c cox input. It made some sense at first, then I realized this, the waiter has no way to pass the buck to the homeless man. However, he can give nasty service to the original customer and any other customer in the future. Taxing the wealthy, Small bussiness and Corp. and passing it down will result in them passing the buck to us, joe public. Think about it, and all of the facts known concerning Barak Hussein Obama. Commander-in-Chief? Not mine.

  12. I am sick tonight… absolutely saddened. But they need to enjoy the party while it lasts because it will probably take only two years before the trouble starts… and in the meantime, I’m proposing a taxpayer-funded double-blind study on why liberals have hearts but no brains. While I’m at it, better throw in another one on why the 2008 Presidential Election was so easy to steal. I said two weeks ago that the election should not be held until the issue of fraud was dealt with because how on earth can honest people compete with dishonest ones? And the tv announcers were surprised that Obama’s Electoral Votes were more than twice what McCain’s were?? What… were they under a rock the last two weeks? I’m even ashamed to say I’m from Ohio, especially Cuyahoga County, but I guess the Republicans needed to have dug up a trillion or so dead voters to combat this, and then bribe thousands of live ones to vote a hundred times each. Oh, that’s right… Obama was the one with all the c a s h! Sour grapes? No, as I wrote yesterday, we don’t even need revenge on this one. The country will implode all on its own, and I’m going to enjoy my seat in the front row!

  13. Bruce, then why are you reading all of it?
    As far as Barack goes, those who voted for him are either…
    1. so “caring” that they can’t see the damage they’re doing to the country…. (their hearts actually bleed, you know!)
    2. so clueless that they just don’t get it!
    3. so stupid that they don’t know how to gather enough data to make an intelligent decision (you can’t fix stupid, remember)
    4. really gullible (ya’ think?)
    5. completely corrupt

    I’d say all of the above but most of my family is liberal, and they’re not corrupt… even though their heads have been up their political butts forever.

  14. I’M A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT BUT I VOTED STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS. I AM A FIRM BELEIVER THAT YOU HAVE TO EARN WHAT YOU RECEIVE FROM THE GOV. OBAMA WANTS TO APPEAL TO THE VOTERS THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL GIVE THE MOST USELESS SO CALLED AMERICANS THE MOST BENIFITS. THOSE OF US THAT HAVE WORKED ALL OF OUR LIVES TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR RETIREMENT OR TO LEAVE SOMETHING TO OUR FAMILYS WILL SUFFER TO HAVE OUR EARNNINGS GIVEN TO THOSE THAT HAVEN’T DONE A DAMN THING FOR AMERICA EXCEPT TO BE GIVEN PROGRAMS THAT THEY HAVEN’T EVEN EARNED. BESIDES BARRACK ISN’T EVEN BLACK , HE’S WHAT THEY USED TO CALL A HALF BREED. SF ROGER FLEMING

  15. Wow isn’t it amazing that this poll being taken voluntarily is so at odds with the Media’s polling ? Over 6000 responses compared to the 500 or so they selectively sample. I am impressed. Go McCain !!
    God bless the USA.

  16. Here is my big concern about B.O. If he was to apply for a Top Secret Clearance would ne be given the clearance concidering his back ground and the people he associates with? My guess would be no!! So is that who you want for PResident. Also he says he is a methodist but their stand on abortion is very against it would never consider pro choice at all. but B.O. first agenda when he is allected is to make sure pro choice will never be abolished! To me that is a blatant liar and some one who needs to look at his values as a christian if he actually is a christian. I guess that makes the slip he had on the news interview “my muslim brothers” could very well be true! Some one likethis getting elected is very concerning to me.

  17. So a young coworker, an Obama supporter asked me the other day; “Who are you voting for?” All I did was smile and respond without naming any names; “Why I am voting for the most qualified candidate for the position in question.” He immediately got mad at me and accused “You’re voting for McCain, aren’t you!”… He didn’t understand what the irony was that I was laughing at.

  18. We have been joking around saying that we almost HOPE Obama gets elected! That way, in 2 to 4 years, during the Inevitable Even Greater Depression we can say…

    1. What do you think NOW? Hmmmm?
    2. I can’t h e a r y o u.
    3. Oh, sorry… you’re not allowed to voice an opinion, are you?!
    4. You said it was TIME FOR CHANGE. Well, you got it.
    5. We warned you, but you wouldn’t listen.
    6. Do you still think you had it bad under Bush and Capitalism? You never HAD it so good!
    7. And you BELIEVED Obama when he said he wouldn’t raise taxes on every single one of you?!?
    8. Are you happy now?
    9. Got enough to eat?
    10. Is your prayer rug comfortable?
    11. What color would you like your uniforms… gray, gray or gray?
    12. Oh, that’s right! You can no longer MAKE choices.
    13. If you are lucky enough to ever get out of the country, come see us. We’re the ones who saw it coming… because we realized that you were not going to listen to a word we said. We are the ones who STOCKED up, PACKED up, and got OUT!!!! But by now you probably have your eyes on another perfectly wonderful country that you can DESTROY with your bleeding-heart Robinhood philosophy.
    However, we WILL take you in… out of the goodness of our hearts (our “cold conservative hearts,”) and we will rejoice in the magnificent fact that we’re helping you because we WANT to help you… not because we’re being FORCED AGAINST OUR WILL to help you! BUT, we will not give you fish that would feed you only for a day. We will teach you HOW to fish so that you’ll be able to feed yourselves for a lifetime… BECAUSE WE REFUSE TO BECOME THE SOCIETY OF ENABLERS THAT YOU TURNED THE UNITED STATES INTO!!!

    Folks, seriously… if Obama gets power in the U.S., you had BETTER stock up NOW, so at least you’ll be able to eat well before prices (and taxes for ALL of you) get so high that you won’t even be able to buy a box of crackers.
    And gasoline? No comment.
    The final phase is that they come and take it all away, and if you remember your history, you know this is true. Please remember that millions of people fell for Hitler’s mesmerizing, suave demeanor and his brilliant, eloquent way of speaking, but, unfortunately, he was telling them one thing but meaning something dangerously different. The people couldn’t — or wouldn’t — see the shrewd, cunning person that Hitler really was. And, the rest was… history. Go ahead and vote for Obama tomorrow if you have to. But at least we will be able to say…. (YOU know).

  19. I registered to vote, for the first time since George McGovern ran, primarily to cancel out a vote for Hillary.
    I was an idealistic hippie then and what I have seen over the years, ( crazy left wing ideas) has caused me to breathe a sigh of relief that George lost that year. THAT was when I had my head up my ass.
    Right now I am a semi-retired carpenter that has outgrown that childish view of the world and I am a full-fledged conservative that may have voted for Hillary because I feel she would be less divisive than Obama.
    Where are all the Hillary supporters that got shafted because the media had a new “darling ” to latch onto ?? Aren’t they pissed that she was next in line according to experience and dues paid , yet she got passed over for a novice for only one reason–political correctness.
    A media that is supposedly made up of agnostics and atheists sure had no trouble finding their new “Messiah”.
    McCain is the only safe choice.

  20. I lived most of my life in UK now I am happy to live in the US, but don’t give me this crap that the US is the last free nation. This is the usual small minded rubbish that comes from Republican voters who have not travelled farther than the nearest Burger King.
    Obama will give some intelligence to the administration for the first time in 8 ghastly years. Bush will leave a legacy that Americans will regret for a generation and granddaddy McCain would carry on with these policies having sold his sold to the Republican right for a chance to be president.

  21. I cant believe how the republican spin has turned sen. obama into the antichrist,ive heard all the racial slurrs I want to hear.I personally think that the mass of white people are scared as hell right now….oh no he is black..ok I love eddie murphy,richard pryor,etc…its alright to love them if their entertaining us but the office of the president ooh hell no! THATS WRONG.united states of america my ass.At this time in our country we need to drop prejiduce,rascicm,we are all americans even john macain said that obama was a great american.I like john macain,hes the best republican that could have run for president.put it this way if oboma is all the things everybody(with low IQs)says he is,having faith in the united states government,dont you think the government would have found out all his background b-4 making him a part of our government daaa.personally I think john macain isnt happy about the way the republican party has made obama out to be.so what now,this country needs major help right now.im neither a democrat or republican,personally they should do away with both parties we are united I thought???we would get alot more done wouldnt we….please make a wise choice this year..thank you and best wishes to the future of the united states of america..2008 the most important time in american history…………….

  22. ‘Twas the night before elections
    And all through the town
    Tempers were flaring
    Emotions all up and down!

    I, in my bathrobe
    With a cat in my lap
    Had cut off the TV
    Tired of political crap.

    When all of a sudden
    There arose such a noise
    I peered out of my window
    Saw Obama and his boys

    They had come for my wallet
    They wanted my pay
    To give to the others
    Who had not worked a day!

    He snatched up my money
    And quick as a wink
    Jumped back on his bandwagon
    As I gagged from the stink

    He then rallied his henchmen
    Who were pulling his cart
    I could tell they were out
    To tear my country apart!

    ‘On Fannie, on Freddie,
    On Biden and Ayers!
    On Acorn, On Pelosi’
    He screamed at the pairs!

    They took off for his cause
    And as he flew out of sight
    I heard him laugh at the nation
    Who wouldn’t stand up and fight!

    So I leave you to think
    On this one final note-
    IF YOU DONT WANT SOCIALISM
    GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!

  23. People…….George Bush did not cause 9/11…..Bill Clinton and his lame brain administrataion did due to their failure to act upon pertinent information regarding bin Laden TEN TIMES!!!!

    Casting a vote for anyone other than a Republican or Democrat only hurts the election. No one other than a Republican or Democrat will win the election so casting a vote for any other so called “party” is only done by idiots!

    McCain/Palin is the only way to go this election! It is either them or be prepared to lose your freedom, your rights and possibly your life when we are repeatedly attacked by Muslim nations.

    The choice is yours. Please do the smart thing!

  24. WoW the ignorance on this site is amazing, and to think people still think that america is doing just fine! The rich havent given anything to the working class or poor, we have worked our butts off for it. Just vote is all i can say and i hope the wise will be CELEBRATING with OBAMA on Nov 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!

  25. The Nazi party was the National Socialists. A fascist left wing political party. Mussolini had a fascist left wing political party as well. Russia, China, Venezuela, etc., have fascist left wing political parties.
    The USA has poisoned its politics with theology. In 1955 the words “In God We Trust” were callously inserted into the pledge allegiance, even though the pledges author, a minister no less, specifically did not want any theisitic references in his pledge. He believed in the concept of religious freedom. To have the freedom to believe or not to believe in theism, deism or whatever, and freedom from those who would persecute you for having differing beliefs is what our country is founded upon
    That being said, I must vote for the American who respects the constitution more and that person is John McCain. Now I lived in Az under McCain and I wish there was a viable alternative. But there isn’t one. It’s the (far) lesser of two evils.

  26. This Present election year is more about what we the people would like to be done over the next 4 yrs. Now Granted Obama has less experience in the government than McCain, But lack of experience should be a criteria for a president. Our First several presidents lacked Experience in governing our Newly born Democracy… None of which had more than a few years in the Houses.
    Several of our greatest presidencies have been held By those that had little or No experience…
    Some By the greatest Military minds of our history.
    John McCain spent several yrs in a Vietnam POW camp but that does not make him Qualified to lead Our armed forces..
    He has [proven this fact by going with Palin who has no experience in leadership, (except for a couple of yrd as a Governor)
    CHANGE is what this country needs and who ever gets elected will Bring some sort of Change. So for everyone that is voting Please Vote your moral and ethical values. For it is these Qualities that are needed Most in our soon to be elected president.

  27. very simple——-if the entire population of AMERI——CA were blind——OBAMA would win by a landslide
    did i say it all?
    wake up people
    their plan was well calculated
    it only took 7 years to set back the human race 50 years.
    not in my life time but it makes me very sad for your and my children and grand children
    and although i HAD many prejudices during my lifetime
    I has decided to put them all to sleep coming nov 3rd

  28. Senerio…..A homeless person standing on a corner asking for handouts because he cannot get a job because he drinks it all away or takes drugs and smells bad.

    Lets say as he stands there asking for money and people give to him $.25 per minute. .25 x 60 minutes is $15.00 per hour. If he does that 8 hours a day for a whole week it is $600.00 a week.

    If this (small business owner) does this for the whole year, 52 weeks, no wait 50 weeks, he needs a two week vacation. That comes to $30,000.00 TAX free dollars he has panhandled.

    Now wait, it gets better.

    Mr Obama wants to tax the rich and give to the jobless poor.

    What can a person barely live on? $200.00 a week? 200 x 52 weeks. That is another $10,400.00 dollars to the unemployed homeless man. Now lets add this up. $40,400.00 a year to not get a real job.

    Oh it gets better. This homeless person hangs out with his buddy or the homeless bag lady. Does that make it a two income cardboard box? $80,800.00 cardboard box income combined.. Oh did I mention Tax Free?

    Yes, the welfare benefits would be tax free, because they are only making $10,400.00 each, right?

    I almost forget. Free socialized healthcare, food stamps….

    Now these figure are estimates in the midwest. $40,000.00 a year, with benefits, is not good, but not bad for the midwest. Lets concider the west coast economics. Those panhandles might receive $1.00 a minute. You do the math, it comes to $120,000.00 with out the govenment handout money.

    To heck with this, I want more money for doing nothing. I am voting for Obama, and quiting my job. If he wins, I will get free money and live off the people. You people are looking at this all wrong.

    This post was filled with 120% sarcasm and satire. It was sensored by the poster to remove all realism.

  29. To LIAM W

    Your Statement: how can you possibly say that taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor is Socialist?

    Socialism:
    1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
    2: the stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

    It’s not taking from the rich and giving to the poor so much as is WHO is taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Think of it this way. Congress is the only body in our government which sets and collects taxes with the blessing of the President. The Congress then creates House Resolutions which are the proposals to spend the collected taxes. The problem is the congress (government) collects and redistributes the wealth collected via taxation. In my opinion this is the stage between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat (congress) has not yet been successfully achieved. We do not live in a democracy. We live in a representative democracy (now leaning toward socialism).

    I think if we are in favor of redistribution it should be proportional to each state that supplied the funds.

  30. I wish someone will tell me just one good thing BO has done for this country. Is this too much to ask. I need to make a decision. Thanks. Kate

  31. I feel a president must have more experience than just two years as a public servant. I have had people tell me that Joe Biden has that kind of experience to help support Obama. Well then, why doesn’t Joe Biden run for president? One day this country may see a black, red, yellow or brown president, male or female. But we are NOT ready for a GREEN president. Obama, get some experience, then come and try it again.

  32. I have to post again, sorry all.

    Mike S,

    how can you possibly say that taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor is Socialist? That’s EGALITARIAN. Socialism would seize all private capital and business and make it state owned, everyone would be equal. This is NOT what Obama plans to do.

    Wanting something for nothing isn’t socialist either. From each according to his means, to each according to his needs.” FROM THE FATHER OF SOCIALISM. Notice the phrase “according to his needs”? That means that people will receive only what they need. That non-contributor “sitting on the couch” as you so eloquently put it, would not recieve anything from a socialist government. This would in fact be an enemy of a socialist government, as they are NOT CONTRIBUTING ANYTHING.

    I’m sorry, but receiving rewards for taking risks is an inherently stupid premise. It encourages careless investment and eventually leads to what we are experiencing now, a financial crisis.

    Like others, you have referred to people becoming ‘jobless’ under a ‘socialist’ Obama regime. NO. WRONG. I can’t say it any more clearly. The state employs. Everyone (to an extent) has a job. This produces the LOWEST unemployment rate of any system of government.

    Cheers,

    Liam

  33. This discussion is a lost cause, too many people who know absolutely nothing spewing their verbal diarrhoea all over the place.

    No matter how much constructive evidence is used to support a point, everyone is lost in their own world of “my partycandidate is the best” and will not even consider a different perspective. Many of the population of the US don’t deserve the right to vote, they’re too stupid. I’m not trying to elevate intellectuals here, but what I am saying is that people with no common sense (in that form of the word stupidity) should not be voting.

    God(sic) willing you vote the right one in, or we’re all in trouble.

    Liam

  34. Rather than prattling along spreading rumor and falsehoods about Barack Obama and his run for the Presidency, we all need to examine the policies of each candidate as posted on their websites. Our decision need not be based upon the patently false issues brought to us by those so reluctant to relinquish power, but more on the policies that affect our lives. This level of ignorance is simply staggering. “Commie”, “pinko”, get real this is the 21st century. Think about the country, examine the policies, and act like a citizen of a democracy rather than a brown shirt of yesteryear.

  35. Damn! Never thought techhies were so redneck. Ok, not that you’ll really care since you seem to believe any of the crap the radical religious right and bushco mouthpieces tell you, but for the Obama birth certificate (one of you said you want to see it, right?), go to http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00 to see that it is legitimate and to http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html to see a copy.

    It’s amazing how so many people are like mules – keep whackin’ ’em on the head over and over for eight years, and then ask them to lick the hand of the ones that are hitting you. Wake up people, the ruin of this great nation has already started and it’s the Bush, Cheney, Wall Street, Oil company crowd that’s stolen (yes, stolen) our nation’s treasury, by scaring us into thinking they’re “protecting” us.

  36. more oblama lies
    In a small-town café in Pleasantville, Omaha, Obama was asked a question that typically only circulates on the Internet.

    As he sat down to have a slice of pie with a small group of potential voters and an elderly woman asked him about being Muslim.

    “I’ve always been a Christian,” the Illinois Democrat responded. “I have never practiced Islam.”

    In his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama mentions studying the Quran. He was enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim. His teacher Tine Hahiyary said that she remembered that he had studied “mengaji” (recitation of the Quran).” Classmate Rony Amiris described Obama as being a very devout Muslim, saying, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.” Another classmate, Emirsyah Satar, now the CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, “He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a ‘sarong.'”

    Yet, on his official campaign website, Obama has posted this statement, “Barack has never been a Muslim or practiced any other faith besides Christianity.”

    Obama’s grandfather was a Muslim. Obama’s father was a Muslim. Obama’s stepfather was a Muslim. His African relatives are Muslims. What was he for the 27 years before his alleged conversion if he wasn’t a Muslim?

    If Obama has always been a Christian, why was he enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim, and why did he study the Quran?

    And note his Clintonesque defense, “I have never practiced.”

    But that’s not what Obama’s sister says — in an interview with the New York Times, published on April 30th, Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s younger half sister, told the Times, “My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim.”

    I assume Maya thinks of her brother, Obama, as a member of her family?

    And, the Jerusalem Post reports that Barack Obama’s half brother Malik said, if elected, his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.

    This is Obama’s biggest problem — his dissimulation.

    Saying, “I’ve always been a Christian,” is a bold-faced lie. Especially since he’s never been baptized

    LAS CRUCES, N.M — Despite not having served in the military himself, Barack Obama used his Memorial Day remarks to speak about his family’s service. “My grandfather marched in Patton’s army, but I cannot know what it is to walk into battle like so many of you,” he told a small group of veterans here.

    And speaking of his typical white grandmother, he said — “My grandmother worked on a bomber assembly line, but I cannot know what it is for a family to sacrifice like so many of yours have.”

    Obama also spoke about his typical white uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic.

    First lie! — Wow! Very dramatic! The problem is that Auschwitz of course is in Poland. It was liberated by the Red Army on January 27th, 1945. Poland, on most maps is usually placed to the east of Germany, although we may need to investigate the geography textbooks the Obamessiah used as a child.

    The Allies were wrapping up the battle of the bulge in late January of 1945 — the Rhine crossings were still well into the future when Auschwitz was liberated.

    Either Obama’s uncle served in the Red Army, or he’s spinning Clintonesque lies about Auschwitz to sell his government programs. Hey, it’s for a good cause…but it’s not enough for him. It has to be personal. It has to be all about him.

    Second lie! — Obama has no uncles. His mother Anna was an only child, and Obama Sr. had two sisters.

    Oh, it’s not a lie, his campaign says he made a mistake — he just made another gaffe in the growing collection of documented Obama’s gaffes — it was his great-uncle and it was a sub-camp of Buchenwald, but who cares about these little details, right?

    AGAIN? — well, it turns out that he’s told this tale before, in 2002 — except he identifies his typical white grandfather as the liberator.

    “My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.”

    Third lie! — Obama’s grandfather enlisted on June 18, 1942.

    Fourth lie! — In his autobiography, “Dreams of My Father,” Obama states his grandfather never engaged in combat. “Gramps returned from the war never having seen real combat, and the family moved to California, where he enrolled at Berkeley under the GI bill.” — Berkeley??????

    And this is the man you want to run this contry? go drink your koolaide and lay down!

  37. So just curious all you who are ready to cream your jeans for oblama , where are you going to put up his shrine so you can worship at his feet? Seems strange that somebody who claims to be for redistributing the wealth can let his brother (half or not still related to him ) live one a dollar a month in africa and his aunt live in a slum outside of boston. and would somebody like to explain his intention of this? Obama has already promised a weird, 250,000 person “civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as our military…isn’t that a TAD creepy…even Third Reich-ish? He has started “truth squads” to find and prosecute people responsible for negative ads he doesn’t like…his campaign has black-listed media outlets who asked questions he didn’t like…he sent the secret service to investigate a Lufkin, Texas woman who answered an Obama phone survey in a way he didn’t appreciate…he has already PROMISED to crush the 1st Amendment rights of talk radio stations and their hosts…and he even said in a 2001 interview that it was tragic that the Earl Warren Supreme Court didn’t “break free from the essential constraints set by the Founding Fathers and the Constitution.” And all of this…even BEFORE he’s been elected. Isn’t any of that just a little frightening to you?

  38. It is shocking to me that so many people cannot see the inherent difference that makes Obama the slam dunk choice! He THINKS! He actually takes time to study issues and finds real solutions. If you don’t support him, at least go to his website and see what his plans are instead of hearing it from McCain/Palin. And I don’t want to hear that he won’t do most of it. Why? Because the truth is most people elected want to get re-elected and if you look back over history, candidates do the vast majority of their promises. Some say he is not ready. The truth is NO ONE is ever ready to be President.

    And don’t tell me it takes a soldier to be qualified to be President, because if that was the case, we should just make our country a military dictatorship and leave it at that… If you don’t think a tax cut for 95% of America is good, then I can’t help you. Besides, that 5%? Most of them golf while you and I are working and they think of themselves as royalty. If you want to support a royal class, move to England.

    Most of us worker harder than them in one day than they do in a month. Many of them are “Investors” on Wall St who made millions betting on the vulnerabilty of companies or presided over their demise. Sorry, they just don’t deserve to have it. Either return the money to the companies you stole it from so they can pay their workers better or tax the crap out of them. Frankly, I don’t feel sorry for them in the least.

  39. 3 more days to go and I am positive McCain could very well squeek this one out. I sure hope so for this country’s sake.

    I am really dumbfounded how a communist, socialist, radical candidate could have gotten this far and potentially elected to the oval office. Just his radical associations should have been enough for people to refuse this man the keys to the White House.

    People are voting for him just because 1) He’s young 2) He’s black 3) He looks sharp 4) He talks sharp 5) They think he’s gonna stuff their pockets with cash and various other crazy reasons. However, the common denominator with all these folks is that they haven’t studied the man.

    What is it with people that they only decide for a candidate based solely on their “goochy goochy goo” feelings? What ever happened to researching and making an informed decision?

    I bet alot of folks who vote for Obama have spent more time deciding on what color underwear they are going to wear in the morning than they did on voting for this man.

    Then we have the Democrat Party. They fronted this fraud. They have given us 3 frauds in a row each more liberal and far left than the last. Do you see a trend here? Who next? Hugo Chavez?

    While I am not a big McCain fan, I’ll gladly cast my vote for him anytime before I vote for a closet radical who I still believe he’s a radical muslim (He hasn’t given me any reason to think otherwise).

  40. What interests me is not so much the rhetoric from the candidates which we all know is all lies, from both sides, but the fact that for the first time in the history of our great and wonderful country the president elect will have been chosen by the press and media and not by the people. I just hope they remember that the first thing to go in a socialist regime is the free press.

  41. Everyone, Barack Obama is a Socialist by definition. He DOES want to take away from the “rich” and give to the poor, that by it’s very definition is “socialism”. Those that want to continue sitting on their couches and receive “something” for “nothing” contribute NOTHING at all to SOCIETY. They don’t take RISKS and therefore receive no REWARD. Now, those same non-contributors want to continue to do “nothing” but receive “something” from their government for their lack of effort.
    Now on the flipside, those that take risks and hope for a reward from that risk are being asked to continue taking that risk so that the “do-nothings” can be rewarded for sitting on their couches. Do we honestly believe they will continue taking risks to reward the “do-nothings”? Does anyone ACTUALLY believe that this type of behavior from our government ENCOURAGES investment from the private sector? Our government receives its very funding from the private sector. If you take that financial resource away from government the government will be forced to take over private industry so that they can gain from that industry. That folks, is socialism.
    And in case any of you are still clueless as to how the economy works, corporations don’t pay taxes. Yes, that’s right, they don’t pay taxes. Their taxes are passed on to the consumer. So, stick with me here, if their taxes are increased, the PRICE YOU PAY for whatever goods they offer will increase to pay for the taxes. They don’t take hits in their bottom line because that discourages investment. NO CORPORATION WILL DO THAT!! They will pass it on to you, OR even worse, lay off workers to offset the loss to the government in the form of higher taxes. Also, in case you didn’t know, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RECEIVES MORE PROFIT PER GALLON OF GAS FROM BIG OIL, THAN DOES BIG OIL ITSELF!! And they DO NOT have to pay for anything. They don’t have to pay the operating expenses of employees, ships at sea, trucks on the highway, gas stations, and the big one, EXPLORATION for NEW SOURCES OF OIL!! Big oil gets about 9 cents per gallon, the Federal Government gets 18.4 cents per gallon. You MORONS that want something for nothing need to realize you’ve been SUCKERED by the biggest scam in modern history!! And when you’re all out of job and stuck residing in government housing, don’t come crying to the “haves” for help. We won’t be there for you anymore.
    Take care all,
    Mike S.

  42. I wouldn’t say he is the Messiah, but maybe the much discussed antichrist from the Bible. After all he is promising to make the poor (richer). He is talking a bunch of baloney, he is trying to do to the United States what Chavez is trying to do to Venezuela. It seems to me that a lot of people in this country need someone to TELL them what to do, they can’t read and discover what obama is really about. They just listen to others, and believe them. Well a vote for obama is a vote for you losing more control of your life then the government has already taken. Look at all the other countries that have tried socialism, the whole country is POOR.

  43. Oh Liam, are you standing on your pedestal right now ? You know that it is intellectuals?? like you embedded in our educational system spewing propaganda from daycare to college. Guess what ? The people frequenting this site are mostly down to earth “common sense ” individuals.
    ” If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck—-See if you can fill in the rest—I’m outta’ here

  44. Some people amaze me! Do your homework and check your facts before making yourselves look like complete idiots.
    Like Catherine C, she said [quote] “i’ve been telling people you think socialism works talk to a russian the terrorists are cheering at the thought of obama in the white house.” Catherine, have you been talking to Bin Laden lately? How can you come out and say that unless you were actually talking to a terrorist? Well have you? Or are you a terrorist? Maybe the Whitehouse should be tapping your phone and watching your every move. It’s stupid people like Catherine that should not be allowed to post comments on these types of polls. Stick to cleaning hairs off the urnials at McDonalds and leave the commentary to the rest of us who are not terrorist or socialist.

  45. I will not vote for someone who voted to give away billions of dollars so bankers can have their year end bonus or pay their margin call for their losses in the dirivitives market.
    That means I will not be voting for Bailout Barry 0bama or Millionaires Man McCain.
    Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate, qualified to be on the ballot in my state and he will get my vote.
    The 0bama bin Biden team seem to be the least qualified candidates ever selected by the Democrat Party and McCain didn’t have the guts to vote “NO” on a bad bailout bill.
    I can’t understand why anyone would vote for a Kenyan born dope smoking coke snorting gun grabbing rights stealing lying leftist liberal lawyer whose political career began in the home of an unrepentant domestic terrorist with money from a mob connected convicted swindler.
    The only reason he has any support at all is because he’s running against a third term for “W”.

  46. I was a democrat for many years but it seems the dems are going in a direction I don’t want to go. the Republicans are similar, seems all they do is want to get elected but don’t follow through with their promises. I also believe the media is heavily weighted in the dems favor. Hmm, where did Chris Matthews work, and who is that guy on ABC just to name a few. In my opinion there is very little objective reporting. Yeah Sarah Palin may not be the best VP candidate but good god the rap she has taken in the media for her mistakes compared to the gaf machine on the Dems side, stand up for Chuck, Roosevelt’s pres speech in 29 on TV. Letterman and company poking fun at Palin but I have heard little if any reference to Biden and his mistakes. Also Mr. Obama’s interview with PBS in 01 saying the Constitution is fundamentally flawed because it is a document of “negative” rights. He says that because it says what the government can’t do to us the people. He believes that the constitution should say what it should do for us the people. This was the single most important idea in the constitution. The framers believed that when government was given power it took that and more and oppressed the people. There is a famous quoteI think most have heard “ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.” Barak Obama gives a better speech about nothing than anyone I have ever listened to. The person above doesn’t believe we are moving in a very socialist direction. Making the point that it is OK to confiscate the reward for someone’s efforts and give that to someone else is a socialist act. To those according to their needs from those according to their ability, hmm where is that from? Not to mention if it is in the public’s best interests I can take your property, didn’t the supreme court make that decision recently. The govenment now owns part of the finance system, they are going to be the health care system. There are many more but these are the recent examples. I believe there has been a 180 in the dem party. It is the party of all the elites that think that socialism and government control is the way things work better. It is just because the right people weren’t controlling it is the reason it hasn’t succeeded when it was tried before. I fully realize that unchecked some unscrupulous businesses will take advantage of people but I believe that unchecked government is MUCH more dangerous and once they have that power it will be difficult or impossible to change.

  47. To all the Obama-is a socialist, nazi, hitler-of-now-a-days camp,

    Could any of you actually define the term ‘socialist’? I think not, seeing as you equate the promise of a small redistribution of wealth with socialism. This is clearly untrue. The only reason many of you are afraid of Obama is because his policies may server to better equate the populace of America. Again, this is not socialism. A scenario here. Obama wins the election, and imposes an one off high tax against the wealthiest in the nation. He then spends this money (from one year of taxes) on providing homes for the homeless, and rebuilding state education and health. This is not socialist. The capitalists still privately hold their businesses and capital, and there is still a free market. A socialist would declare state control of capital, or complete nationalization of the means of production and distribution (the economy).
    Notice how, in our little scenario, Obama did not do this? That is because he is NOT a socialist.
    Redistributing a small portion of wealth, and leaving the economy and social structure unchanged is what Obama spoke of, he was not advocating socialism.

    The sheer stupidity of some is baffling. I understand that people are stupid enough to believe all party-spewed rhetoric, and then regurgitate it all over the net as if they have a brain of their own, but I simply cannot grasp the unfathomable idiocy of those who label Obama a Socialist, and them compare him to Hitler, or call him Nazi-esque.
    NOTHING could be further from the truth. Here are some simple labels for you. Socialism is left wing, Nazism, is right wing. Notice how right and left are opposites? this is because NAZISM and SOCIALISM are at TWO OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. And don’t attempt to retort to this by saying “aah but nazi stands for national socialist, so it IS the same”, because I will ignore you, and I hope the vote counters will too.
    The current political system in America is and always will be more right-winged than left, mostly due to the US’s staunch opposition of anything ‘red’ (communism, socialism etc.).

    See, the Nazis, or national socialists, had only one similarity to socialists, and that was anti-capitalism, though this was most likely introduced to inflame further antisemitism. (Many German bankers and financiers were Jewish). Right wing politics, such as Nazism, incorporate policies of racism, discrimination, and totalitarianism. Socialism on the other hand stands for economic and social equality, in essence, the creation of an egalitarian society. This is in a vain completely different to that of Nazism.

    Hitler called himself a socialist, though he most certainly was not. You are calling Obama a socialist, though he most certainly is not. Get your political labels at least somewhat correct before you slather them all over discussions such as these, as they serve only to degrade both you and the entire discussion. Why post unless you have something constructive to add.

    Thank you,

    LiamW

    P.S.

    To Michael Master

    I see where you are coming from, but when I am referring to ‘debts greater than the value of her home” I am drawing a parallel to subprime mortgages, many of which have interest rates that skyrocket after some time, predetermined by the lender, has passed. In many cases these skyrocketing interest rates have led to a debt greater than the worth of the house, at no fault of the borrower.
    In addressing your first statement, I take it you mean to blame or label the democrats for the economic ‘meltdown’ due to their imposed regulations on big lenders such as F&F and “forcing them in to high risk loans”.

    While I will not contest this, as I do not know whether or not this is true, I will say that I believe you should not vote simply on a party basis, and that because one party says or does something you likedon’t like, you willwill not vote for that party. I believe that to effectively vote, you must ascertain the direction of the leader and hisher party. The analysis of policies and promises would provide a better insight in to who is the best choice to lead your nation in the future.

    On another note, I believe that the blame for the subprime crisis cannot be squarely placed on the shoulders of the democrats, rather, it in my opinion, is capitalism, with its deregulated finance systems that allow and even encourage greed such as is evidenced in subprime lenders, that led to the subprime and eventually financial crisis.

    Thanks Michael, I hope this is as much value for you as it is for me. I am not attempting to ridicule or demean you, I simply wish for an educated debate, where we address one anothers comments while remaining civilized and and mature regarding our viewpoints. Thanks for the time and interest in my post.

    Cheers,

    Liam

  48. Christine Carter said “everyone who does not support Obama is a racist, and is just finding other reasons that don’t make sense, as an excuse why you do not vote for him”, No NO NO we are not, !!! we do not want to vote for any one who has an agenda that is still hidden, behind a veil of evasion and deceit, and against a constitution that prevents the government from being in charge of the people,and is intended to see that the people remain in charge of the government.
    “The government should be afraid of the people” NOT “the people should be afraid of the government”,
    We want the constitution to remain supreme, and leave power in the hands of the people for all time, not to have it pass into the hands of the few, but remain with the majority, and for her to state that the reasons for our votes, are because we are racist, when we want to state our reasions we state OUR reasons, not hers.
    People should ask, us, not her, if they want our answers, she does not speak for America, or for us, and the fact that she labels us, is an offensive remark, especially if the majority of black people vote against Obama, they will do so because there are issues of real concern, particularly trust, here, and not racism at work here …
    It is classic smear tactics, that if you can not meet and beat an argument for an issue then you attack the voters for that issue, tagging them with a label allows you to deal with the label, and avoid the arguments about the real issues..In this country that is known as “tag and slag”, so glad to see that America has, in the present era, adopted the tactics of the British socialist labour party and Tony Blair.
    Can we now expect that Obama (as an understudy ), will take you to war on the basis of a lie, and underfund and prevent the supply of protective equipment for it’s own soldiers ? as we have done, for several causes, after having voted for the problems that the Democrats made in the house, (as they, the Socialists, have done by insisting in the UK, that funding was found for those who ought not to have been given funding for properties they could not afford as housing, ( even to the extent that one purchaser was granted a 100% mortgage, on a property of £200,000 when their income was only £15,000- a year ), funding should be by proper financial scoring assessment, not political view points scoring, as you and Barrack have voted for, along with the Democrats, over the years, these were financial businesses, not political tools as the Democrats saw them, and this crisis lies with the Democrats and their insistence they were treated as anything else, that is the problem…. Barrack IS your Tony Blair, and while the world admires him strutting the world stage, they seem not to understand what damage and lies he has told his own country, if he gets elected then America will regret it, and there may never be a black president again, in the lives of any American living at this time, there will be an American president one day, who will be black, but if this one is the first, it will be a long time before a second is ever thought of again, and it will be because of the lack of honesty of this one that attaches the trust issue and race to the elections for ever more afterwards……and yes his citizenship is a matter of concern in this case, we should see his birth certificate and there should be no more debate on this issue, the constitution says that it is unlawful for a non natural born American citizen to be elected to this post and it is an issue, it must be viewed by the Supreme Court if Democracy is to be seen to work, while the world watches again, as a farce, Florida like, rises from the ashes to haunt us all, or are the reasons that your side does not want this issue viewed in broad daylight, to do with the race of your candidate, and the consequences, so the expression ” let justice prevail, let the chips fall where they may” on the outside of your court buildings actually mean nothing,???

  49. So her I sit and read the re-hashed trash from the “Elitists” about how their NEW poster child will lead our country to victory over the cloud of gloom we are currently in. Good God! I am glad my feet are off of the floor. because what you are spreading could grow a forest in seconds.
    Do none of you not read the “other” wire/paper services and see what is happening to this country. We are being prostituted by the ‘Blue Boys’ to the tune of $200 to $300 million. The FEC and The FBI are investigating donations made to the Obama campaign from several different individuals. Some of interest were: Bart Simpson, Daffy Duck, King Kong, Raela Odinga from Nairobi, KY, etc. The safeguards on the system for monitoring irregularities in donations was turned off people could and did use disposable gift cards, they would either go unnoticed or overlooked since the for checking irregularities were, “turned off.” So over 90%, $575 million as of October 14, of the campaign funds raised went unchecked. Also, on another ironic note, does anyone remember Obama saying on NATIONAL television, on February 26 and April 27, 2008, that he ‘would sit with the Republican nominee and together both agree to accept public financing. Well, that did not last long. He waited approximately 5 weeks to break that promise which would simply be another in a long line.
    Even supporters of Clinton’s have been speaking out about the Obama voter fraud practices. One example, Lynette Long said the Obama victories in Iowa and several other caucuses were no miracle. “It was Fraud. After studying the procedures and results from all 14 caucus states, interviewing hundreds of personal stories, my conclusion is that the Obama campaign did willfully and intentionally defraud the American public by systematically undermining the caucus procedure,” she said. The same story can be said for Hawaii, Texas, Nevada, and others.
    I am truly sorry that he is such a well spoken person, but I could not, nor would not ever vote for a candidate that is being sponsored from foreign powers that wish our very existence to cease. No more USA, no more capitalists, no more everything.
    Something I am still waiting for the release of the interview with Obama in The Los Angeles Times. In the interview, Obama is being accused of his anti-Israeli views. He was shown toasting Rashid Khalidi, a well known advocate for the attacks against Israel and virulent critic of the Jewish state. He, Khalidi, was also the spokesman for Arafat. Add these to the growing list of terrorists organizations throwing their support Obama’s way. The others are: Muammar al-Quaddafi, Ahmed Yousef(HAMAS), Sheik Naim al-Kassim(HEZBOLLAH), and the late Edward Said.
    I hope that you who are voting for Obama see who else you are voting for. And when you do vote for Obama, Thank You for selling out your country!!!

  50. Neither Obama or McCain will solve the main problem that America has, and that is the unbelievable and toxic devisiveness that has plagued this country for the last two decades and that many of you have espoused and promote on this forum. While both sides have been guilty of this, the republican side In my opinion, has been particularly nasty and mean- sprited. If Obama does win, will you hound him to the point of ineffectiveness to govern like the Republican party did to Bill Clinton at the expense of the american public ? Honestly ask yourself what is worse, a blow job in the white house or… lying to the american public and congress at the cost of 10 billion dollars per month for the iraq war and ultimately being responsible for the deaths of over 4,000 soldiers and over 50,000 seriously wounded ?Many of you that claim to be patriotic god fearing americans are neither patriotic or good christians in your words and actions. The bible doesn’t teach hate for those whose opinions differ than yours, or callous disregard for fellow citizens that haven’t had the opportunity or luck to afford health care, education, good paying jobs,etc. Practice what you preach !

    The economy ? As far as the economic crisis goes, many in both political parties are to blame as greed engulfed the whole nation. The federal banking regulators did not instruct Fannie mae and Freddie Mac to make BAD loans to unqualified buyers, they simply enacted regulations and rules to encourage banks to make loans to business,minorities and first time buyers in the areas that the lenders did business. The bankers are the ones who came up with the ideas and greed inspired concepts of packaged or bundled loan instruments as a way of making massive amounts of paper assets to be sold in the market. I believe that one of the main contributing factors was that instead of using real people as “Underwriters”, who reviewed the loan information and sometimes interviewed the applicants themselves in order to make a well informed decision on whether or not to approve or deny a loan, many mortgage companies used what is called “automated underwriting”. That basically meant that a computer approved the loans based on figures that it wanted to see in order to approve the loan. As long as the unscrupulous sub-prime loan industry fed the correct numbers into the computer, it would serve their purpose and approve the loan whether or not the information it received was true or made up just in order to qualify the applicant for approval. This was pure GREED and manipulation at work. The mortgage companies did this primarily because it only cost them $15 per loan application as opposed to paying a real person a salary to act as an underwriter. They just ran through 1000 applications at a time, then sold them as a packaged bundle to hedgefunds, or other financial institutions and made a killing $$$. We all now will pay for this greed. Who in the hell approved “automated underwriting”? One thing that I have determined out of this debacle is that the economist Friedman’s model of Free Market economics or Reagonomics absolutely Does Not Work!! Trickle down economy my ass !Get real ! The rich and wealthy individuals and multi-national corporations will not automatically re-invest and provide jobs out of the goodness in their hearts when they are allowed to outsource jobs and still enjoy outrageous tax breaks without penalty. They are governed only by the bottom line $. Corporations are not beings that have feelings or morals or a sense of giving back to the workers or communities that support them. If they do, it’s usually just a good Public relations ploy or another path to a lucrative tax advantage.

    Patriotism ? Being patriotic to me means loving your country enough to criticize it when it spirals out of control on domestic and foreign policies. The USA has done enormous good in the world financially and on a humanity level and no one disputes that fact, but we have also done grievious harm in many endeavors which many choose to ignore or justify without knowledge of the facts and lessons of history. It was WRONG when Nixon ordered the Watergate burglary and plotted against the other political party using the FBI and covert thugs like G. Gordon Liddy. It was WRONG when a democratic Lyndon Johnson’s administration staged and lied about the “Gulf of Tonkin incident” in order to justify the invasion of Vietnam. It was WRONG to lie about Iraqi WMDs in order to justify the Iraq war when it was really about OIL and blatant war-profiteering by american contractors who have fleeced the US treasury and the american people. In past history, we have helped to overtly or covertly violently overthrow other countries popular leaders when their views and interests differed from the US governments and then in turn have supported malevolent, brutal and murderous dictators who agreed with our interests. Saddam Husein is a good example. We supported him financially when he first took control of Iraq, we sold him arms, and we even sold him the chemical weapons that he used on Iranians in their 8 year war and eventually on the Kurds. We helped to arm, train and support Osama Bin Laden and the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan against the Soviets when they in fact invaded Afghanistan partially to contain the spread of radical Islam (oops! looks like we may have been wrong on that one !). In the early 50’s and 60’s we helped to force “Free Market economy” philosophy on South America mainly in order to break it down financially and then subjugate it to the purchasing what was left of it by corporate america. It was WRONG to sidestep and disobey the congressional order forbidding the providing of arms to contra rebels in cental america by turning a blind eye (plausible deniability) and allowing the CIA to covertly purchase massive amounts of cocaine and then import it and sell it on americas streets in order to amass hidden money for the supply of arms and weapons to the contras it was forbidden to do by an act of the american congress. This particular crime eventually visited an untold misery on americas urban streets in the form of crack cocaine. Of course, the guy that helped implement this was Col. Oliver North who was convicted in the Iran Contra trial but was pardoned and walks free today, while the Los Angeles contact and drug dealer to whom the CIA sold the cocaine to was made a scapegoat and is still in prison! I could cite other examples of bad US policies and actions that have directly or indirectly caused the misery and even deaths of innocents around the world and even in the USA. Does this criticism make me unpatriotic ? Are we to accept bad policy as OK just because it is claimed to be done for our benefit, even if at the cost of others in the world ? Not very Christian of us that’s for sure! Am I a bad american because I believe that allowing coporations to essentially buy politicians in order to shape american domestic and foreign policy and laws is wrong ? Am I a socialist because I believe that truly affordable health care should be more accessible for all citizens ? Am I a god- hater because I believe in strict separation of Church and State and that no man has a right to even contemplate passing a law telling a woman she has no choice or control over her own body and life ? Am I a communist to think that education should be encouraged and supported by government (after all, our very survival as a leading nation depends on the innovativeness and creativity of future generations) ? Am I anti-american because I believe that the truth and nothing but the truth from our leaders is a mandatory and legally binding obligation ? Am I pro-terrorist to protest the use of illegal wiretapping(before 9/11 I might add),the suspension of Habeas Corpus Law, torture,outing a CIA agent, lying to the congress and citizens, ignoring congressional supoenas, and ignoring passed congressional laws through the over the top and extreme over-use of Presidential signing statements ? Bush has done this more than all other presidents combined !

    Am I cynical ? You bet (along with millions of other fellow citizens), and until I see the America I truly believe in re-appear I will remain a sceptic and cynic of our government whether it is run by Democrats or Republicans. Both have been guilty of betraying our trust. I was raised in a Kansas Republican house and have voted for presidential candidates of both parties. My father was in the Navy and then enlisted in the Army during the Korean War. He is also deeply religious and a devoted baptist. He aquired the American Dream by serving his country and bought his first home with the help of the GI bill. He worked hard and never complained. He opened his own business and raised a family of 6. In my opinion he is truly a great American and I’m very proud of him. I have absolute trust in my father. He always voted Republican, but this year he is voting for Obama. Why ? Because he said the Republican party is out of touch with the reality of the people it represents. It has become fiscally irresponsible and has grown government larger that any he can remember,is more corrupt than he can remember, has become increasingly invasive into our privacy and threatens the freedoms and rights we have relied upon from the beginning of our great nation. He is also extremely unhappy with the way the Republican party has treated our military by saying “Support our troops” out of one side of their mouth and then sending them in harms way without the proper life saving equipment,the shabby treatment of our wounded vets in denying and prolonging benefits and treatment, and the denial that there can never be a real victory in Iraq because victory has never been adequately defined. And the cost of the iraq war, let me just say he is pissed off big time !!!

    My view is that in times like these, the american people are in a genuine and desperate need of inspiration, hope, and a sincere promise for a better future for ALL americans, not just some. No Red states or Blue states but the UNITED STATES. We are all Americans first ! I have listened intently and with an open mind to Senator McCain and Gov. Palin and the main thing I’ve seen over the past few months is the most negative presidential campaign the United States has ever been subjected to. It is devisive and serves no constructive purpose as shown in the aggregate national poll numbers leaning towards Obama and overwhelming disapproval of McCain Palin tactics. The campaign is vague in defining it’s own policies and can’t draw a clear enough departure from the Bush policies that have been so destructive to this country.While I honor Senator McCain for his outstanding service to our country, I feel very sorry for him for lowering himself to the very thing that he despised and swore he would never do after what was done to him in the 2000 primary race by George Bush, Karl Rove and friends which was basically smearing,lying and assasinating his character. Pretty much what he and Gov. Palin have chosen to do to Barack Obama in this campaign season. It is extremely unbecoming and self-demeaning and will most likely turn out to be self-defeating.

    So…..what do I want as a voting citizen ? I want to be inspired, I want to feel secure that I will be told the absolute truth by my president. I want to know that US military agression and war is well justified and will be the last resort used and then only if absolutely necessary to protect America and/or it’s allies. I want to feel that the terrorist threat must be pursued with a logical well thought out preventative stategy, based on foresighted critical thinking and reasoning. I want to see our military return to and complete the mission of pursuing and destroying Al Quaeda/Taliban and Osama Bin Laden for 9/11. I want to feel confident that my president will surround himself with smart, creative, and well qualified people in his cabinet instead of his inexperienced but loyal political friends and cronies. I want to be assured that those applying or being considered for government positions will be interviewed on the basis of his/her qualifications rather than if he believes in god and is loyal to the administrations agenda. I want to feel that government empowers all of us to achieve everything we are capable of. I want to know that this country will take the necessary steps to combat global warming instead of denying it even exists, so that my children and theirs (and yours) will be able to enjoy the beauty and diversity of the world. I want to travel the world without feeling the hostile threat of harm and the animosity from people in other countries just because I’m an American. I want to feel the pride in believing that the USA is respected in the world as a leader of nations and an example of wisdom, goodness and compassionate deeds.

    We lead by example folks, and so this election I will be proudly be voting for Obama in hopes of once again seeing this great country shine as a beacon of freedom,tolerance, prosperity and fairness in this chaotic world. The rest of the world desperately needs this hope too !
    Obama will be a great president if given a fair chance !

    By the way,for the record, I am an Independent party member and voted for Ronald Reagan and George Bush senior in previous elections. And you Democrats out there, remember that not all republicans are bad and their opinions and heartfelt beliefs are just as valid and passionate as yours or mine ! Listen to their concerns with an open mind and be respectful. People,People! Stop this utter madness of devisive politics and admit we have more to gain by recognizing that we all share a common belief in the pursuit of health, happiness, security, and prosperity.

    As the wise Dali Lama has said, “There are many paths to the top of the mountain and in the final analysis we all reach the same destination”

    Get out and Vote ! Peace !

  51. What a bunch of cowardly, racist, homophobic, ignorant blockheads this board seems to have brought out. The only thing worse than what’s happened to this country in the last 8 years under the Republicans is the utter density and stupidity of the American people who are willing to eat more of it. By the way, in case you haven’t noticed, McCain does everything out of desperation. That’s what his whole life has been about. If that’s what you admire in a leader, I feel very sorry for you.

  52. As an Australian who visited the following Website and read that one Candidate has allegedly arranged to have his Service Records sealed so they can’t be examined and the other allegedly has disallowed access to his birth certificate,I’m afraid it all rather comes over as a pile of you know what.
    God Help America. And the rest of us sitting on the sidelines
    http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

  53. The sum total of the McCain/Palin campaign has simply been to attack Obama, no vision at all and nothing of substance to propose for the country. The sum total of the comments by McCain supporters on this forum has been to attack Obama by gullibly buying email lies and again proposing nothing of substance. So obviously a vote for McCain is to continue the same loser policies of Bush since they have no new ideas ir vision whatsoever.

    Actually Bush should receive the Nobel Prize for Physics since he proved that which was supposed to trickle down actually trickled up…an incredible discovery. Vote for McCain and continue the trickle up. I am so happy that all you Republican redneck 8th grade drop-outs are going to have to put up with Obama for at least 4 more years. Couldn’t be happier.

  54. Interesting but paranoid comments about Obama. McCain and Palin are the real scary team. If McCain is elected and dies in office look at who we get for president.

    As a Vietnam vet I object to his glorifying his Vietnam service. His being shot down was the best thing he could have done for the war effort. It put an end to the string of five aircraft he lost while he was in the driver’s seat. He was a mediocre pilot at best.

    He says he loves veterans but has shown little support for them, especially for those fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. Any doubts? check his voting record.

    His misguided and unwavering support of the war in Iraq makes him complicit the deaths of over 4,000 of our troops and the wounding of over 30,000. And then there are the hundreds of thousands of Iraq civilians who’ve also died in this uncalled for and poorly planned invasion. Like his aircraft, the excuses for invading Iraq have been shot down one by one. The latest excuse is that the war is all about fighting terrorism. Terrorists weren’t a significant factor in Iraq when we invaded. What we’ve done is drawn them there and have provided them with an excellent training ground for them to test and perfect their tactics; our troops are the test subjects.

    In summary, these are very poor qualifications for someone who is seeking to be the next Commander-in-Chief.

  55. Thank you Sherri for what you wrote. It’s nice to meet someone else that actually did research on the candidates. An informed voter is a wise voter.

    It would be interesting if a question (or two) was posed to everyone who responded to this poll. I know I prayed extensively over my decision who I’d vote for & I wonder how many others have done so. I would also love to ask–Whoever wins this election, are you (speaking collectively) going to pray for him? I know I will because my Bible tells me I should pray for all who are in authority…that we may lead a quiet & peaceable life. I wonder how many are praying for the leaders of other countries.

    Let me close on that thought because there are plenty of people who need prayer & I am going to get down on my knees for them, as well as my household.

  56. Stop your belly aching. All you people who won’t vote for Obama are racists; so you come up with other reasons, that don’t make sense to justify why you won’t vote for him. I refuse to vote for Bush again. I’m personally sick of the last 8 years, and I definitely don’t want someone who voted 90% of the time with Bush. McPain has changed his mind every time he opens his mouth, and his whole campaign has been low down and dirty; nothing but attacks, Palin doesn’t even agree with the things he’s done. He’s done everything but call Obama the N word. And did everyone miss the interview with Joe the Bummer, when he said he was disappointed to find out he was a Yankee. Take your ass back where you came from, you’re not a plumber anyways! Obama has my vote! And he’s going to win this election.

  57. All I can say If Obama Hussein get elected everyone that Loves God better be praying day and night because If he does get elected I feel it will be the beginning of the end..He is against everything our fore fathers fought for and against our freedom…and our dreams and he is by no means the messiah…We are one nation Under God lets keep it that way vote for McCain on Nov 4th.

  58. I have read alot of the e-mails on here, all i can say is that its a shame people are satisfied with the way the world & u.s is. America was the land of the brave and home of the free, now we have the silent majority which is corrupt. All over the u.s we hear about the greed on wall street, crime increasing, drug use and violience on the rise! United we were about 10-15 yrs ago but now we are at odds with each other. I say vote for obama because i am a person that makes 120,000 a year and my wife does also,i don’t mind a tax increase to help others. The u.s has become a nation of winers and anal retentive, racially desocialized, greedy pricks. I am a white republican but what is right is right!! 1 question why is it that blacks have voted for whites all this time but when they have one of their own, whites wont return the favor? I wonder if it would be different if Colin Powell ran, and if the racial tones would be the same?

  59. As an Arizona resident and one who lives within John McCain’s “representative” boundry, I am scared to death that John McCain could be President much less that Sara Palin could be Vice Presidnet. Sara Palin states that ‘Obama’s’ platform and plan would redistribute the wealth… Has she ever looked at what the state of Alaska has done with the natural resources of that state? If I am not mistaken they are part of the US.. therefore if that is the case the nautral resources belong to all US citizens not just Alaska residents. The other question now they bring up John McCain’s 5 years as a POW’s. Yes it is tragic and very unfortunate that this happen and I admire the man for serving his country however it has nothing to do with this or anyother election. John McCain has already broken one of his first campaign promises and has not even been elected yet. Senator McCain, remember when you made the promise to “take the high road” and “would not run a smear campaign” Do you remember making these promises? Obviously, I guess not. The RNC has participated in several very unethical stratagies in this election. What ever happen to truth in advertising? Oh but wait that does not apply to politicians that we elect to represent us and our interest in our goverment… Its time to take back the White House and our Goverment…and once again make them both, by the people and for the people. It has been so long since we as US citizens have had a canidate representing either party that was worth casting our vote, I guess people that could really make a difference dont want the job… that says alot. I ask you… Compare yourself with today and where you were financially 8 years ago…. I would dare say that not many people can say that they are better off now….

    With this “Bail out” anyone that thinks that taxes will not have to be increased to pay for this is crazy. I know if the IRS comes to my door to collect “my portion” of this bail out so that CEO’s can take vacations and get a bouns on top of that…. dont expect me to write a check… I refuse!!! Regardless of who you vote for… Get out and Vote…

  60. B.O. is a communist hungry for your money and his power. Be very cautious with this one. If he makes it to the white house then there will be real stench in it.

  61. I found this very enlightening.

    Why I Can’t Vote For Obama
    By Huntley Brown

    Dear Friends, A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama, I sent out an email with a few points. With the election just around the corner I decided to complete my perspective. Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before but it’s worth repeating…

    First I must say whoever wins the election will have my prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.

    Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness. I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can’t dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.

    I can’t vote black because I am black; I have to vote Christian because that’s who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won’t be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.

    In an election there are many issues to consider but when a society gets abortion, same-sex marriage, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning to name a few, wrong economic concerns will soon not matter.

    We need to follow Martin Luther King’s words, don’t judge someone by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I don’t know Obama so all I can go off is his voting record. His voting record earned him the title of the most liberal senator in the US Senate in 2007.

    NATIONAL JOURNAL: Obama: Most Liberal Senator in 2007 (01/31/2008)

    To beat Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton as the most liberal senator, takes some doing. Obama accomplished this feat in 2 short years. I wonder what would happen to America if he had four years to work with.

    There is a reason Planned Parenthood gives him a 100 % rating. There is a reason the homosexual community supports him. There is a reason Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Hamas etc. love him. There is a reason he said he would nominate liberal judges to the Supreme Court. There is a reason he voted against the infanticide bill. There is a reason he voted No on the constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. There is a reason he voted No on banning partial birth abortion. There is a reason he voted No on confirming Justices Roberts and Alito. These two judges are conservatives and they have since overturned partial birth abortion. The same practice Obama wanted to continue.

    Let’s take a look at the practice he wanted to continue

    The 5 Step Partial Birth Abortion procedures:

    A. Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby’s leg with forceps. (Remember this is a live baby)
    B. The baby’s leg is pulled out into the birth canal.
    C. The abortionist delivers the baby’s entire body, except for the head.
    D. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby’s skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole.
    E. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child’s brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed.

    God help him. There is a reason Obama opposed the parental notification law.

    Think about this: You can’t give a kid an aspirin without parental notification but that same kid can have an abortion without parental notification. This is insane.

    There is a reason he went to Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years.

    Obama tells us he has good judgment but he sat under Jeremiah Wright teaching for 20 years. Now he is condemning Wright’s sermons. I wonder why now?

    Obama said Jeremiah Wright led him to the Lord and discipled him. A disciple is one in training. Jesus told us in Matthew 28:19 – 20 “Go and make disciples of all nations.” This means reproduce yourself. Teach people to think like you, walk like you; talk like you believe what you believe etc. The question I have is what did Jeremiah Wright teach him?

    Would you support a White President who went to a church which has tenets that said they have a …

    1. Commitment to the White Community
    2. Commitment to the White Family
    3. Adherence to the White Work Ethic
    4. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the White Community.
    5. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions
    6. Pledge allegiance to all White leadership who espouse and embrace the White Value System
    7. Personal commitment to embracement of the White Value System.

    Would you support a President who went to a church like that?

    Just change the word from white to black and you have the tenets of Obama’s former church. If President Bush was a member of a church like this, he would be called a racist. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been marching outside.

    This kind of church is a racist church. Obama did not wake up after 20 years and just discovered he went to a racist church. The church can’t be about race. Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.

    A church can’t have a value system based on race. The churches value system has to be based on biblical mandate. It does not matter if itʼs a white church or a black church it’s still wrong. Anyone from either race that attends a church like this would never get my vote.

    Obama’s former Pastor Jeremiah Wright is a disciple of liberal theologian James Cone, author of the 1970 book A Black Theology of Liberation. Cone once wrote: “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him.

    Cone is the man Obama’s mentor looks up to. Does Obama believe this?

    So what does all this mean for the nation?

    In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing – judgment.

    Read 1 Samuel 8 when Israel asked for a king. First God says in 1 Samuel 1:9 “Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.”

    Then God says

    1 Samuel 1:18 ” When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.” 19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.” 21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, “Listen to them and give them a king.”

    Here is what we know for sure.

    God is not schizophrenic

    He would not tell one person to vote for Obama and one to vote for McCain. As the scripture says, a city divided against itself cannot stand, so obviously many people are not hearing from God.

    Maybe I am the one not hearing but I know God does not change and Obama contradicts many things I read in scripture so I doubt it.

    For all my friends who are voting for Obama can you really look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I am voting for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy.

    I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama’s positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.

    Since we know someone’s value system has to be placed on the nation,

    1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation.

    2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?

    Blessings, Huntley Brown

  62. Obama believes that if you are smart, work hard and succeed that you now have to be penalized and give it to people who are not as smart as you, don’t work as hard as you and don’t care to succeed. I am not for more government in our lives. They screw everything up. We as small business owners tried to have health insurance for our employees. It went up so high after a couple of years we had to cancel it. If Obama really intends to fine you for not having health insurance then people are not only going to be out of health insurance (that they never had) they will also be out of a job. We would have to close.

  63. It looks like everything that I have to say will be elimitated from this forum. you all must be damn- o crats. RDF

  64. The people in Germany wanted the same thing that I think that the USA wants CHANGE. They got Hittler and we are looking at Barrack Obama. Everyone in Washington, DC is blaming Bush for all of the ill’s in America. It’s Bush’s fault that jobs left America but Pres Clinton signed the bill that caused the lose of jobs in the USA-Democrat. They blame Bush for the turn down in the housing Ind. The Demos wanted everyone to have a house no matter what they could afford and they got it , Wild Bill singed the bill that let Wall Street overate everything then the bottom fell out of the market, Bush’s fault. They blamed the war in Iraq on Bush although most of the Demo’s voted for it. There call was that they could not find any WMD’S. Hell we give them all the time in the world to git rid of them. They used them on Iran and there on people so we know that they had them at one time. I truly beleive that most Americans beleive that the majority of the politians in DC are as crooked as a snake and just as traitours to the american people. Jack Murtha, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy who should still be in jail for murder,Nancy Pelosi, Bob Blumburg,George Soros all who should be shot on site for treason. And there are just as many Republicans that deserve the same treatement. I guess I better stop here for now. SF ROGER FLEMING

  65. Thanks Joe….I guess it’s true that those that choose to not remember history are doomed to repeat it. Just remember that the National Socialist Party was voted into power in the early 30’s and the author of “Mein Kampf” rode that popular pony right to the top. Socialists might have a good intention but the results are always the same, domination and destruction of personal liberty.

  66. It’s amazing how many people in our country do not know what Socialism is. It is not a progressive tax system as so many people think and/or have been led to believe (can we really graduate high school in our great country and not know this?). If people would quit believing the hype and start educating themselves it would sure be nice.

    McCain/Palin and pundits should be ASHAMED of themselves for trying to fool everyone into thinking Socialism is a progressive tax system. Socialism is (taken direct from Wikipedia):

    Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.

    Can anyone say ‘bail out’? (a true step toward Socialism)

    As for those still saying Obama hasn’t shared what his faith is quit watching garbage and go look it up for yourself (snopes.com or factcheck.com). Besides, it doesn’t matter what some claim the Founding Fathers said, go see for yourself:

    http://altreligion.about.com/library/weekly/aa070202a.htm

    People that still taut the rhetoric of the sound bites they hear on the news (which is bias in both directions depending on what station you watch or listen to) or the garbage (so easily debunked) being spread through emails and do not check things out themselves only spread the problem of lies.

    Now McCain/Palin question another Obama association when McCain’s ties to this particular person run much deeper and large sums of money are involved. AMAZING! I’m a registered Republican and I cannot believe how McCain has run his campaign. He’s tarnishing himself and that’s a very sad thing. As for character, it’s Palin that was found guilty of “abuse of power”.

    As for Obama’s tax plan…..have you heard him say even once that those that don’t work will get tax breaks? No, you haven’t. He’s talking about people that work. Listen people, with your own ears, to what is coming out of his mouth. Listen to the whole paragraph, not a snippet!!

    It’s OK to not like Obama’s approach to government. It’s OK to not like McCain’s approach as well. It’s important to understand what each wants to do and how they want to go about it (and yes, I did extensive research on both candidates). Those here continuing to misstate, regurgitate, and continue the lies and problems have obviously not done their homework. It’s like taking a test and never having cracked the book.

  67. OBAMA doesn’t deserve a single vote. I am an african-american for McCain. I would not as much as consider at the threat of death to vote for OSAMA. He has defied our Constitution. The very thing that gives him the freedoms he enjoys. He refuses to pledge his allegiance to America. Why should he be President.

  68. I have sat and read the comments here, some factual and some not so. Although I have AD & FTD, I read Mine Kampf, wonder if any of you have? To vote for anyone no matter the promises made, that things the National Anthem is a War Song, Will not say the pledge because it mignt upset someone in another country ( all his words and verifiable) is not for me. They call him Barrack H. Obama, I was taught his name was LEGION. You who vote for him diserve what is comming down the pike as they said in my days. Yes just a 64 year old fart, that remembers history and it’s lessons, especially when you ignore it.

    Vote as you may but excercise your right as an American and Vote, you may not have that one for long anymore either.

  69. Out of everything going on in the world today, what angers me the most is the MEDIA. It is the MEDIA that is blowing up the economy, it is the MEDIA who REFUSES to divulge any information on Obama, it is the MEDIA who is campaigning against McCain and is pushing Obama. One thing I will say is that the American people must be REALLY STUPID and or BLIND to buy the lies the media spits out. The MEDIA has chose who THEY want….that is obvious! Most Americans are not really and truly INFORMED…they only believe what the MEDIA says and the MEDIA is not true and balanced. You can SNOPES till the cows come home and how do you REALLY know SNOPES is the truth??? YOU DON’T! Again, you are taking it (a form of MEDIA) at it’s word. Last night I watched Obama skirt the question…AGAIN. I have NEVER heard him tell the truth and be to the point on any subject…just point the finger at someone else and play ring a round the rosy with the question. He is charismatic for sure and that will not help our great nation in a desperate situation. Talk is just that TALK….show me the proof behind the claims and I would change my mind. Obama is a LIAR and the TRUTH is not in him. He is doing well in covering up is SHADY past as a MUSLIM and a TERROIST SUPPORTER! GOD HELP US!!!!

  70. Seems most of the GPO lunatic fringe are complaining that McCains baseless lies are there deciding points, and the only thing they know about Obama. You sure make yourselves look ignorant. You obviously are prosucts of American “education”. Can’t think, don’t know the issues, and are irresponsible.

  71. Too bad ignorant Republicans don’t do the intelligent thing–move to the Libertarian Party. It espouses everything except fascism that Republicans claim to be their philosophical foundation. But, the GPO has become representative of all the right wing fringe elements in this country. Funny that most of those fringies hate each others’ driving single interests. “Family values”? Hogwash. If you want conservative values and a desire for change, put your vote where your hypocrisy is–vote Libertarian and make a difference.

  72. So, you think Obama would be bad for the country?
    Worse than the almost 1 trillion dollar grab at robbing this nation for one last time?
    or, the possibility of having a small town mayor become the president, who, by the way, talks in tongues?
    Or having a president that does not understand how the economy of the United States even works?
    or having a vice president that thinks looking through binoculars across the ocean qualifies as diplomatic experience?
    Good grief people!
    Stop votint straight party lines and look at what you are doing to this nation!
    McCain is an honorable man.
    But his choice of Palin as VP illustrates seriously degraded decision making capabilities.
    I’m also not pleasaed that his top campaign staff is almost completely made up of Washington Lobbiests who shill for anyone who pays them, regardless of moral standing.
    We’ve had 8 years of Republicans in charge, and look at the mess we are in now.

  73. One additional comment: Obama/Pelosi/Reid will take what’s left of the Constitution and run it through the shredder.
    Some of the things that trio has planned for us, should we be unfortunate enough to elect it, should scare the heck out of any thinking American interested in preserving rights to free speech, religious practice and firearms possession.
    Plans are also in the works by the gang to grab 401K retirement accounts and roll the proceeds into Social Security.
    “From each according to his ability to each according to his need”. Didn’t work in the Soviet Union and it won’t work here.

  74. Our Founding Fathers recommended that no candidate for political office be other than a professing Christian. McCain and Palin meet that criterion…Obama hasn’t admitted to any faith and his association with various Muslim and communist buddies makes me wonder where he stands.

    We are once again stuck with voting for the lesser of evils. Sarah Palin mitigates that factor very well, more than sufficient to earn my vote for McCain/Palin, but mainly on the strength and character of Governor Palin.

  75. Although I have made up my mind as to whom to vote for I have a comment about the influence of polls and the media. As we proceed to election day I find that the various polls tell us who is ahead. Many people are influenced by these polls and wish to be on the “winning side” so the polls unduly influence people and eliminate the need for the average person to do his/her own research and decide not what is best for him/her but rather what is best for the country and the majority. We all have problems in this economy, concerns about the war in Iraq, energy dependence, taxes, health care, etc. It would be better if the media concentrated on accurately reporting the various stands of each candidate and letting us analyze the pros and cons of each side. In addition people fail to realize that although a candidate may have an agenda, it takes Congress to pass and thus implement any agenda items. We have a 3 part government: executive, legislative, and judicial. The candidates (executive)are promising various agenda items but do not necessarily have the support of the other segments of our constitutional government. We all need to do our homework and make intelligent and informed decisions. We do not need the media to influence our decisions with their polls.
    Further, I feel that there should be no coverage of the election results until all polls are closed in all 50 states. The coverage also has the result of influencing voters where the polls have not closed. Yes, this would delay us knowing the outcome, but undue influence would be lessened. I shall be interested in the comments of others.

  76. I guess I just don’t deal well with unknowns. Out of the blue comes this guy with “All The Answers”. Tells everyone what the “Want To Hear”, like a child waiting for approval.

    On the other side of the coin is a guy that is advanced in age, with experience, and who to some is lost and confused. I like the way he listens, gathering facts, and avoids heated debates over nothing.

    They both agree that we need change. But, I agree with that stance. I just think that past associations should be put aside. It’s a new game, with new players, let sleeping dogs lye.

    I’m voting with my head, not with what I hear. I hope the American Public does the same. There are a lot of un-decided voters out there. Let’s hope they stop to “Smll The Roses”!

  77. Mr. Max Williams,

    I am a Conservative first and a Republican second. I will have to agree with you in part…Are we better off than we were 8 years ago, yes and no. We haven’t had a terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11…But if you think you got it bad NOW, wait…if we have 8 years of B.O. it will be worse and your grandchildren will be forced to pay part of their hard earned income to someone too lazy to get and keep a job. But why would that person have to anyway, B.O. will have doubled the social programs so they can sit on their butt and earn as much and your grandkids do, by working 40-50 hours per week.

    McCain isn’t perfect, but look at the stock market this week, it is coming back slowly, it will get better. I am more confident that McCain will protect me than someone who only met the military he will be Commander in Cheif of becasue he needed the photo op. Palin is a breath of fresh air…she has potential to be a regualr person on the doorstep to the Oval Office and not there as a visitor on a tour. She is the future, not hasn’t been in politics for years (Ted Kennedy, John (boy) Kerry and others who are only there for themselves. She represents the true working class of this country and knows what it is like to be one of us, because she is one of us. I didn’t ever think I would want a woman to be President of the United States until she was introduced and I heard her speak…McCain and the RNC made a good choice. She IS the future.

  78. I’ve always wondered why politicians resort to ‘negative’ ads – it’s because people believe them! Both sides are guilty of this. They are usually half-truths and distort the meaning that was implied. (Look who’s saying them – the opposing party!)
    The labeling and blaming is getting out of hand. I’m afraid I see McCain doing more of this, perhaps out of desperation. Not that Obama is innocent.

    Obama is not a “Socialist”, “Marxist”, “terrorist”, or any other “ist”. Because he said “share the wealth” (and boy, did they run with that one!)doesn’t mean he’s a socialist. Right now our tax dollars are bailing out Wall Street – isn’t that spreading the wealth? Even Reagan admitted the ‘trickle down theory’ didn’t work.

    How can you say Palin has more experience than McCain or Biden? McCain has been in the Senate for 26 years and Biden has been in the Senate for 30 years.We all know McCain picked Sarah Palin because she’s a woman, with no regards to her experience(pro or con). To me that smacks of sexism.

    Obama is not as experienced, but no one can deny he has a brilliant mind. He is a lawyer, and has a better grip on the laws and Constitution (vs.Palin). Palin is very proud that she didn’t build the ‘Bridge to Nowhere’, but she took the Federal money. What did she do with my tax dollars?

    I haven’t made up my mind, yet (yes, I’m leaning toward Obama)but, I’m going to use the brain God gave me and muddle through all the propoganda (including this site, lol)and make up my mind on facts.

    Both of them are politicians, and I don’t want to decide on what the ‘spin doctors’ are throwing at us.

  79. Let The Record State !
    I’m not fully supportive of either candidate. McCain nor Obama is going to do much for me in the way of economics & money in my pocket. Everything will continue to cost a fortune & everything that can, will still be taxed. The 2 things left for me are National Security ( McCain/Palin hands Down ) Obama is experienceless ! And Civil Liberties. I’m a NRA Member all the way & the second amendment is extremely important to me ( Again Mcain/Palin ) The Founding Father’s Instated ” The Rights of Americans to Bare Arms period. Obama is indeed a socialist. This is my take & Good Luck to you all! ( were gonna’ need it ! )

  80. I cannot and will not support any canditate who chooses to “ice out” reporters who do not support him. Its the leading edge of a communist like existence. Its a shame that the canditate who advocates change will kick three leading newspapers off his plane and ban interviews with two radio stations wants to be president in a transparent society.

    Also, my hard earned money is my hard earned money. Why should I be taxed into giving it in social programs to less fortunate? Yeah yeah people call that selfish but if I suddenly fell on hard times I wouldn’t be able to count on those same people to help me out because they would be too busy collecting their own welfare checks with no incentive to better themselves. income redistribution through taxation and social programs does NOT work and leads to a lack of incentive to succeed. Why should I work to make a dime more than I currently have when that same dime can be gotten by filling out a few forms?

  81. I am a proud independent. I have always voted for the person who I believe can do the best job. I am retired and living on a fixed income. I say this, are you better off now than you were 8 yrs ago. I think not. I sure am not. I cannot take any more of the Bush’s policys. I vote Obama

  82. It suprises me that so many Americans do not know how their government works! Most think that the executive branch (President) thinks up all the bills and laws! The congress and senet are responsible for that! The President only in effect releases them to be implemented after the representatives of the population have decided what they contain. Obama is very socialistic in his approach to government but the media keep redefining the definition of socialism. Redistribution of wealth and same pay for the same job (regardless of how well the job is done) is socialism! It will be too late after the election to find out the truth!

  83. I’m voting Democrat

    I’m voting Democrat because I’m way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

    I’m voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I’ve decided to marry my horse.

    I’m voting Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn’t.

    I’m voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

    I’m voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

    I’m voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they’re doing because they now think we’re good people.

    I’m voting Democrat because I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don’t start driving a Prius.

    I’m voting Democrat because I’m not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

    I’m voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

    I’m voting Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

    I’m voting Democrat because my head is so firmly planted up my @#% it’s unlikely that I’ll ever have another point of view.

    ‘A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don’t own’

    William F. Carling –

  84. Hey Robert Kimmerley – how come a person who does not agree with Obama’s socialist policies is labeled a racist, redneck and/or retard? Oh, that’s right … I forgot we are ignorant, hopeless, religous zealots so how could we possibly think for ourselves? Since you are “in touch” Robert, why don’t you take a good look at who is spewing the negative attacks and scare tactics? These are the many reasons you are voting for Obama?

  85. When McCain picked Pallin for his running mate he showed the ultimate in lack of intelligence. She doesn’t know the role of the VP in the senate and her experience with Putin is looking across the Bearing Straight at Russia. It would be funny in a comedy spoof but she said it with a straight face.She can’t name a newspaper that she regularly reads but does admit to reading “everything they put in front of me.” yea, right. An airhead one heartbeat away from the presidency- I think not.

  86. A vote for Obama is a vote for dismanteling the Boarder Patrol, why have them at our boarder with Mexico, if you are going to give all of the illegals free medicare, free unemployment money, free housing, free……..
    And who is going to pay for all this Free Stuff….. not the high class, they have lawyers and accountants to protect their money, the real smart ones are making a killing off the markets right now….
    It will be John and Jane Doe the ones who have to work for a living, the same ones that are worrying about loosing their homes right now, because the government was talked into the morgage mess we see now. We all are paying for it, and will see our taxes rise 10-20% if my math is right, to pay for Obama’s plans…..
    Do the right thing, vote with your mind on your pocket book, not the one who can speak with silver tipped tongue.
    All you Native Americans remember the Treaties you signed, Obama speaks of the same promises that can not be meet, and will cost all of us our freedom.
    Open the fload gates at the borders, Taxes will go up, The White Working Class American will dissappear…..
    The Mid-East is liking it’s chops, Obama is their saviour……
    All Bless Alla…….

  87. To Liam,

    I feel for that single mother working two jobs to feed, cloth and house her two children who’s mortgage debt is greater than the value of her home, but don’t blame anyone but the Democratic Congress who force the deregulation of the mortgage industry and forces Fannie and Freddie in to HIGH risk loans. Also, she shouldn’t have purchased MORE house than she could afford.

    To everyone,

    We could go on forever, back and forth…One thing is clear, whoever wins the election on 11/4/2008 is going to cause a great rift in our country.

    For then Dems and Liberals, this means they are going to be sitting around waiting for the government for bail them out of the mess they created.

    For the Republicans and the Conservatives I offer this…Buy your guns, ammo and extra Bibles NOW, for IF Senator Obama becomes President Obama, he will make sure that all three are taken away and that we kneal to HIM at HIS alter.

  88. I am struck by how many Obama supporters have noted that those who oppose their “chosen one” are just “ignorant.” It would be funny if the consequences were not so serious.

    So many seem to have faith in Obama to bring about change, though the exact nature of that change has never been spelled out to my satisfaction. Obama has run a campaign based almost entirely on class warfare… in short, envy. All of our problems have somehow become the fault of those who have managed to succeed…. supposedly at the expense of the rest of us. That is the same arguement that brought the Nazis to power.

  89. This is way funny. I already voted for Barack Hussein Obama.
    As is usual in Texas, the good old boys cancel out my vote especially in my county. I have voted Republican in the past, but I was drunk. Nixon was a big mistake. Reagan was senile and the younger Bush still scares me. I believe he might cancel the election so he can push the button to hurry up the rapture.
    I was raised in a fundamentalist religion that believed the prophecies of Revelations have already been fulfilled.
    I retired 2 years ago thinking I had put back enough money to live on my small pension and my wife’s income not having to mess with taking money out of my 401K until I turn 66 in 2016. I might go back to work, but I’ll probably pay a little more tax than I did when I ran a business and worked at an investor owned elctric utility. I am white and poor by McCain standards having a net worth after this last stock market downturn <$1,500,000. My yearly family income never exceeded $185,000.
    Politics is local. Most people wish John McCain hadn’t been sabotaged by the same people advising him now back in 2000. He is a much braver leader than the Cheney puppet we have now. Old McCain and his pretty women don’t represent my values or experience dealing with the intolerant world.
    I am white and poor by McCain standards having a net worth after this last stock market downturn <$1,500,000. My yearly family income never exceeded $185,000.
    Reagan’s best lie was convincing people that they were rich while their actual living condition was closer to the homeless shelter people than it was to him and his rich friends.
    Money isn’t everything, and its hard to buy happiness. I would rather have stability than erratic reaction.

  90. I really thought that the people who frequent PC Pitstop were a more intelligent group. I guess people are just people. Rather than create another long dissertation. I agree with the comments from Gayle Davis, Katie Conrad, Liam W., James Green, Andrea, Robert Kimmerly, Mike on October 30th at 9:45PM and Nathan Collins. I’m voting for Obamah/Biden while this country still has a chance to get back on track.

  91. The press has tried, shamelessly and hard, to get a marxist into the whitehouse. If intellectuals are so smart, why do they keep pushing for leaders of countries that end up taking away their right to a free press? Question is, will Obama turn fascist on his first or second term?

  92. I would like to ask Senator Obama these two questions : Since your entire campaign has been based on change what will you do as President in four years from now if all of your promises to the American people have not materialized ? Would you apolpogize to the American public and not seek another term as our President ?

  93. Many of the posters have covered everything very well, except one point. BO claims he is the one for change, and berates JM for voting with Bush 90% of the time. Why has the media not noticed that BO is the #4 Dem to vote along party lines, he has voted 96% of the time according to the party leaders bidding. Where is the “Change” in that?

    Give the MAVERICKS a chance!

  94. More things that really irk me.

    It’s the constant rhetoric by republicans that Obama will be ‘unable to handle the terrorists’. Is the current legislation in place sufficient to control this ‘threat’? If so, then why would Obama change it? Legislation that works, will be left untouched by a real leader. If it is not sufficient, then listen to his policies and determine why his are better worse than McCains’.

    The harping on regarding this “terrorist threat” purportedly facing the US is absolute hogwash. When was the last terrorist attack on your soil? 2001? and before that, well the civil war would be the only bloodshed it has seen. The hype surrounding terrorism and its threat to America and the west only exacerbates fear instilled within the populace, and only accomplishes the terrorists aim. To instill fear. I’m not saying there is zero threat of terrorism, I do acknowledge the threat, I know it exists, but it is not that dire. Splinter cells and faction groups really have very little to threaten a developed nation with, save the deaths of a few thousand due to some strategically placed explosives.

    It would be much more fitting to be focusing on more pressing issues, such as a lack of free health care, and basic civil liberties that America seems to pride itself on, when the majority of the western, and even some nations of lesser influence, provide its citizens with more rights. No longer is the USA the bastion of hope and freedom for the entire globe, it now stands for corruption, ailing finances, and hypocrisy.

    Oh, and please cease the “most powerful nation in the world” sermon. We have heard it all before and are sick and tired of it, seeing as we know it is false. Yes, you have an advanced military, but that doesn’t stop trade sanctions does it. Influence on the world stage is now governed by globalization, and economic fortitude. I say Brazil, India, China are the superpowers, if not today, then of tomorrow, and you can include Russia in this bracket too, no longer stagnating under the incapable leadership of Yeltsin.

    Big deal that Obama has no military experience. Last time I checked, that isn’t a prerequisite for presidency, unless you plan on staging an armed insurrection or coup. THE PRESIDENT IS NOT THE GENERAL OF THE ARMY. He does not command troops, he does not plan operations, he does not devise strategies. The President may have the authority, but the military will still retain its leadership pyramid, which I believe many of you have forgotten. A new President does not necessarily equate to change in military organization, although I for one would be in favor of America abandoning its global police force status.

    For example, the recent conflict in GeorgiaSouth Ossetia. The South Ossetians and Abkhazians were fighting for their secession from Georgia. the US was against this. Now lets just for a second forget that this was because of the stereotypical American “Cold War” mindset, go against Russia. Let’s for a second think what America was defiantly against. The secession of provinces from a country. Did the US not commit a similar act in seceding from the British crown? Are these acts related? I say so, and the automatic ‘anti-Russian’ response only anchors this belief more steadfastly. Independence Day, in America, is a time for huge celebration, to celebrate Americas status as its own entity, no longer under the influence of Britain. What are South Ossetia andor Abkhazia not granted the same rights as America? Is it because that they sided with Russia? Or is it because the US no longer stands for freedom and democracy, and prefers a nation to retain oppressive [sic] control over territories whom wish to be independent?

    Stop and look at yourself, America. You are degenerating faster than we speak, and are too oblivious to notice it. Wrapped up instilling democracy in nations abroad, you have forgotten the very values you once stood for, and have now become an object of criticism and ridicule.

    P.S. @ Ed Banja: I can assume from your opening statement that you are part of the “Obama is a Socialist” camp. I will not go in to detail explaining why this is wrong, but I will however point out several flaws in your argument, the first being that Obama is not a socialist.

    Secondly, Socialism does not equate ot unemployment, which is what you seem to have done.

    QUOTE
    “Do any of you Obama supporters ever wonder who created your job ? It sure wasn’t that homeless guy or the people on the public dole. It was people making more money than you, who worked for it and earned it.”
    ENDQUOTE

    Socialism, if put in to practice, would actually yield a far lower rate of unemployment, much much lower than what the US is currently experiencing, jobs would be allocated if someone was unemployed, which would surely limit the strain in the social benefit system.

    Another major flaw in this passage is that many of the richest in fact did NOT work for their fortunes, for example, Bill Gates , to cut to the chase, simply made a smart purchase. Others inherited wealth, or ‘got lucky’ on the stock market. I can guarantee that the amount of work done is not proportional to salary wage.

    I wonder how many stockbrokers could survive in the life of a single mom, working two jobs to feed, clothe and house her 2 children, while her mortgage debt is now greater than the worth of her house.

    QUOTE:
    “Wake up people and realize how this country became great. Thank You”
    ENDQUOTE

    Do you think that the hundreds of thousands of people your economic system has made homeless believe that “this country” is great? What about those who have terminal disease, and watch the government bail out Wall st. ‘Fat Cats’ with the money the government can’t[sic] spare for the provision of free health care.

    Ever considered the people the ruling class have forgotten about? Their votes count just as much as yours, and I daresay they will be put to to much better use than yours will.

  95. To Barack Hussein Obama,

    The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008, that proved you had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what you previously admitted. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.

    The Chicago Sun reported on May 8, 2008, that FBI records showed that you had a significantly closer relationship with Tony Rezko than what you previously admitted. In the interview, you said that you only saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year. The FBI files showed that you saw him weekly. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.

    Your speech in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008, about “race” contradicted your statement to Anderson Cooper on March 14 when you said that you never heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white America. While your attendance at Trinity Church for 20 years is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on March 14.

    In your 1st debate with John McCain, you said that you never said that you would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea without “preparations” at lower levels … Joe Biden repeated your words in his debate with Sarah Palin … while the video tape from your debate last February clearly shows that you answered “I would” to the question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without “any” preconditions. While your judgement about meeting with enemies of the USA without pre-conditions is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America in the debate with McCain.

    On July 14, 2008, you said that you always knew that the surge would work while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you stated that the surge would not work. While your judgement about military strategy as a potential commander-in-chief is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on July 14.

    You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal, while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed immediately … not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now claim. While your judgement about removing our troops unilaterally in 2007 is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about your previous position.

    You claim to have a record of working with Republicans while the record shows that the only bill that you sponsored with a Republican was with Chuck Lugar … and it failed. The record shows that you vote 97% in concert with the Democrat party and that you have the most liberal voting record in the Senate. You joined Republicans only 13% of the time in your votes and those 13% were only after agreement from the Democrat party. While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is that you distorted the truth.

    In the primary debates of last February, 2008, you claimed to have talked with a “Captain” of a platoon in Afghanistan “the other day” when in fact you had a discussion in 2003 with a Lieutenant who had just been deployed to Afghanistan. You lied in that debate.

    In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a “professor of Constitutional law” when in fact you have never been a professor of Constitutional law. In this last debate, you were careful to say that you “taught a law class” and never mentioned being a “professor of Constitutional law.” You lied last spring.

    You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You distorted the truth.

    You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted against funding for alternate energy sources 20 times when the record shows that John McCain specifically voted against funding for bio fuels, especially corn … and he was right …. corn is too expensive at producing ethanol, and using corn to make ethanol increased the price of corn from $2 a bushel to $6 a bushel for food. You distorted the truth.

    You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted like both of you for a tax increase on those making as little as $42,000 per year while the voting record clearly shows that John McCain did not vote as you and Joe Biden. You lied to America.

    You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time when you know that Democrats also vote 90% of the time with the President (including Joe Biden) because the vast majority of the votes are procedural. You are one of the few who has not voted 90% of the time with the president because you have been missing from the Senate since the day you got elected. While your absence from your job in the Senate is of concern, the greater concern is that you spin the facts.

    You did not take an active role in the rescue plan. You claimed that the Senate did not need you while the real reason that you abstained was because of your close relationships with the executives of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Countrywide, and Acorn … who all helped cause the financial problems of today … and they all made major contributions to your campaign. While your relationship with these executives and your protection of them for your brief 3 years in the Senate (along with Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd) is of concern, the greater concern is that you are being deceitful.

    You forgot to mention that you personally represented Tony Rezko and Acorn. Tony Rezko, an Arab and close friend to you, was convicted of fraud in Chicago real estate transactions that bilked millions of tax dollars from the Illinois government for renovation projects that you sponsored as a state senator … and Acorn has been convicted of voter fraud, real estate sub prime loan intimidation, and illegal campaign contributions. Tony Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to your political campaigns. You personally used your political positions to steer money to both Tony Rezko and Acorn and you used Acorn to register thousands of phony voters for Democrats and you. While your relationships with Rezko and Acorn are of concern, the greater concern is that you omitted important facts about your relationships with them to America.

    During your campaign, you said: “typical white person.” “They cling to their guns and religion.” “They will say that I am black.” You played the race card. You tried to label any criticism about you as racist. You divide America.

    You claim that you will reduce taxes for 95% of America, but you forgot to tell America that those reductions are after you remove the Bush tax reductions. You have requested close to $1 billion in earmarks and several million for Acorn. Your social programs will cost America $1 trillion per year and you claim that a reduction in military spending ($100 billion for Iraq) can pay for it. While your economic plan of adding 30% to the size of our federal government is of concern, the greater concern is that you are deceiving America.

    The drain to America’s economy by foreign supplied oil is $700 billion per year (5% of GDP) while the war in Iraq is $100 billion (less than 1% of GDP). You voted against any increases to oil exploration for the last 3 years and any expansion of nuclear facilities. Yet today, you say that you have always been for more oil and more nuclear. You are lying to America.

    Mr. Obama, you claimed that you “changed” your mind about public financing for your campaign because of the money spent by Republican PACs in 2004. The truth is that the Democrat PACs in 2004, 2006, and 2008 spent twice as much as the Republican PACs (especially George Soros and MoveOn.org). You are lying to America.

    Mr. Obama, you have done nothing to stop the actions of the teachers union and college professors in the USA. They eliminated religion from our history. They teach pro gay agendas and discuss sex with students as young as first grade. They bring their personal politics into the classrooms. They disparage conservatives. They brainwash our children. They are in it for themselves ….. not America. Are you reluctant to condemn their actions because teachers/professors and the NEA contribute 25% of all money donated to Democrats and none to Republicans? You are deceiving America.

    Oh, Mr. Obama, Teddy Roosevelt said about a hundred years ago that we Americans should first look at the character of our leaders before anything else.

    Your character looks horrible. While you make good speeches, motivating speeches, your character does not match your rhetoric. You talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.

    1. You lied to America. You lied many times. You distorted facts. You parsed your answers like a lawyer.

    2. You distorted the record of John McCain in your words and in your advertisements.

    3. You had associations with some very bad people for your personal political gains and then lied about those associations.

    4. You divide America about race and about class.

    Now let me compare your record of lies, distortions, race baiting, and associations to John McCain: War hero. Annapolis graduate with “Country first.” Operational leadership experience like all 43 previously elected presidents of the USA as a Navy officer for 22 years. 26 years in the Senate. Straight talk. Maverick. 54% of the time participated on bills with Democrats. Never asked for an earmark. The only blemish on his record is his part in the Keating 5 debacle about 25 years ago.

    Mr. Obama, at Harvard Law School, you learned that the end does not justify the means. You learned that perjury, false witness, dishonesty, distortion of truth are never tolerated. Yet, your dishonesty is overwhelming. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty that caused the impeachment and disbarment of Bill Clinton. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty of Scooter Libby. You should be ashamed.

    Mr. Obama, it is time for us Americans to put aside our differences on political issues and vote against you because of your dishonest character. It is time for all of us Americans to put aside our political issues and vote for America first. It is time for America to vote for honesty.

    Any people who vote for you after understanding that you are dishonest should be ashamed of themselves for making their personal political issues more important than character. Would these same people vote for the anti-Christ if the anti-Christ promised them riches? Would they make a golden calf while Moses was up the mountain? Would they hire someone for a job if that someone lied in an interview? Of course not. So why do some of these people justify their votes for you even though they know you are dishonest? Why do they excuse your dishonesty? Because some of these people are frightened about the future, the economy, and their financial security …. and you are preying on their fears with empty promises … and because some (especially our young people) are consumed by your wonderful style and promises for “change” like the Germans who voted for Adolf Hitler in 1932. The greed/envy by Germans in 1932 kept them from recognizing Hitler for who he was. They loved his style. Greed and envy are keeping many Americans from recognizing you … your style has camouflaged your dishonesty …. but many of us see you for who you really are … and we will not stop exposing who you are every day, forever if it is necessary.

    Mr. Obama, you are dishonest. Anyone who votes for you is enabling dishonesty.

    Mr. Obama, America cannot trust that you will put America first in your decisions about the future.

    Mr. Obama, you are not the “change” that America deserves. We cannot trust you.

    Mr. Obama, You are not ready and not fit to be commander-in-chief.

    Mr. Obama, John McCain does not have as much money as your campaign to refute all of your false statements. And for whatever reasons, the mainstream media will not give adequate coverage or research about your lies, distortions, word parsing, bad associations, race baiting, lack of operational leadership experience, and generally dishonest character. The media is diverting our attention from your relationships and ignoring the fact that you lied about those relationships. The fact that you lied is much more important than the relationships themselves …. just like with Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon … Monica Lewinski and Watergate were not nearly as bad as the fact that those men lied about the events … false witness … perjury … your relationships and bad judgements are bad on their own …. but your lies are even worse.

    Therefore, by copy of this memo, all who read this memo are asked to send it to everyone else in America before it is too late. We need to do the job that the media will not do. We need to expose your dishonesty so that every person in America understands who you really are before election day.

    Mr. Obama, in a democracy, we get what we deserve. And God help America if we deserve you.

    Michael Master

    McLean, Virginia

  96. I am voting for Obama because:
    1. his health care proposal is a good start. As a small employer I have seen our premiums skyrocket
    2. his tax proposals are better. he realizes the dangers of huge increases in budget
    3. his ideas on the Middle East and Iraq will lead to more stability than McCain’s. We do not need war with Iran while we have wars in 2 other countries
    4 Sarah Palin is NOT qualified to be President if McCain dies

  97. This election I’m voting as I always do :
    I don’t vote FOR a candidate, I vote AGAINST a candidate…

    PS: The LOWEST viewer count for the
    Obama info-mercial was
    Portland, Oregon

  98. James Green–Are you from another country ?? Butt out then–If you are satisfied with what you have then go pay your exorbitant taxes and listen to your OWN country’s lies, bullshit, and propaganda. PS I have a coupla million illegal aliens you can take off our hands–what does your country do to people who illegally cross your borders?–Respectfully yours

  99. I find that the majority of the people just watch TV and swap hate stories to get their “facts”. Wake up folks, it is ALL propaganda and half truths to win your vote. If you bother to READ for yourselves you can find out the truth of what they SAY and what they MEAN. There is a difference. Barack Obama keeps saying that he thinks health care should be available to everyone but he NEVER said he is going to do anything about it for everyone. If you believe otherwise you are one of the ones buying into the propaganda. Don’t blindly believe everything you hear on TV. Everything they say (both candidates) are carefully worded. If you misunderstand then that is YOUR fault. His plan will cover children which is good but what do you and I get out of this? He has NO military background, very little political experience and apparently no grasp of economics yet you want him to run the most powerful country in the world? If we were making him president of the corner store I am all for it. Give the man a chance and all that but to run the COUNTRY? Sorry, but I want someone that has some experience to draw on before I let him sit in the big chair. I may not agree with everything he says but John McCain is the better choice in this election. Remember folks, they are politicians – are they REALLY telling you the truth or just trying to get your vote?

  100. if you are’nt afraid of obama, you have your head WAY buried. wake up. don’t wait till its too late and obama is wetting his pants cuz he can’t handle the terrorist.

  101. Katie Conrad doesn’t have the vaguest notion about how the economy works. The economy was great at the end of 2005 and then the Democrats took control of congress and then the downward spiral began. I believe mostly because of the push to get loans to buy houses by people who couldn’t afford the payments. President Bush gave congress 17 messages about what was happening and Senator McCain told congress what was going to happen if something wasn’t done and people like Barney Frank as much as said he didn’t know what he was talking about. Well it happened exactly the way Senator McCain predicted it would. As for as she says “Every Republican policy has been proven wrong – with dire consequences here and abroad.” Give us some proof if you are going to make these statements. As for Governor Palin , she has more executive experience than Obama , Biden and even McCain.

  102. What has the republican campaign had to say apart from pointing the finger and lying? Palin? Completely nuts. to vote this person in you would have to be a little bit ignorant and living in a box. This person represents everything about America that frightens the outside world. Creationism? Oh please the republicans have been in far too long and pretty much failed people on lower incomes, failed the world with their foreign policy, deceived the world with regards to Iraq and the wmd fiasco.
    Its time some Americans realized that we are a one world, the republicans seem to think America rules the world and I have news for those that still think like this – your empire is in decline, China and India are on the rise. There are many decent Americans out there, if you look at the republicans core vote tho, a huge proportion are deeply racist and live in a bubble. Frightened that Obama is black and possibly a muslim? He is not a musilm but if he was does that matter? If this is the sum of the republicans campaign it says a lot about the type of people that would vote for them, and that they have very few real policies except the ones they have used the last 10 years – fear and guilt. Its unpatriotic to not support the war etc. The war was for oil not your freedom.

    This vote effects not just your country but the rest of the world. I pray that obama gets in, i really do. Your country doesnt even have free healthcare for gods sake so please dont claim it is the “last of the free nations”, it really is not. People die every day because they don’t even get a minimum wage to cover their health costs.

    The time of whats mine is mine, screw everybody else is over.

  103. Do any of you Obama supporters ever wonder who created your job ? It sure wasn’t that homeless guy or the people on the public dole. It was people making more money than you, who worked for it and earned it. And… they didn’t have more than you UNTIL they earned it.
    Stop looking for a handout, and start a new ” Microsoft or some such business” and quit your whining–then you can be a successful entrepreneur like Bill Gates, but look out !! Here comes Obama for his share.
    Wake up people and realize how this country became great. Thank You

  104. Katie Conrad,
    You sound like a standin for Katie Couric. Of course Obama is a socialist if he is not actually a Marxist. The Dept. of Education needs to be gotten rid of; it is the government arm of fostering the indoctrination of socialism in our children’s minds. Bari is not a leader, he is a trickster. He has never won an election. All his victories have been through dirty trick manipulation. He was not even in the US Senate when the Iraq war began. If you need an abortion you’ll have to take out a loan because under his regime health costs will skyrocket and you will have to wait until the bureaucracy deems the operation necessary. He watched Michael Moore’s movie and came away believing that drivel. His version of saving the economy is already failing. The banks are using the money for bonuses, excursions and buying other banks. He actually believes Al Gore that man is totally to blame for the warming of the globe.

    I agree that journalism is not dead, it has been reborn as the PR arm of the Democratic party. Republican policies have not been proven wrong but the Democratic led financial market melt down has loomed into the world’s face. I also agree that it is hard to compare McCain’s policies to Obama’s but that is because Obama will not state a policy except for when a lowly plumber catches him off guard then “spread the wealth around” emanates from Bari’s lips. Now for the sweetest sound in the whole campaign, the completely brilliant political move and the proof of Sen. John McCain’s superior ability to make the correct choice when many are afforded him, behold the Govenor of the largest state in the union and I might add the most popu;ar govenor in the USA, the Honorable Sarah Palin. Please don’t let the radical left spoil the greatness of the United States of America, get out and vote!

  105. Why do people like Andrea think that because I am not for Obama that I just HAVE to be for Bush?? I just don’t get some of you people!!

  106. Personally, I sit here and read all these comments and I think to myself, “Who could be so stupid?” The blind acceptance of anything one party says, and the naysaying of another is where democracy goes wrong.

    Those who label Obama a socialist are fools, and do not understand the meaning of the term. If he was a socialist he would not be running in the Democratic party, he is a capitalist. He may favour partial redistribution of wealth, which, in a nation such as America with such a huge wealth disparity (Richest 10% of population own 71% of the wealth, bottom 40% own 1% of wealth), is an excellent idea, and he may seem to stand for the below average etc. of society, but he is not a socialist.

    Another thing about Obamas’ supposed socialism, is it nothing but Americas deep rooted anti-leftism that drives this negative view? Remember it was CAPITALISM that caused the financial crisis, and didn’t the government just nationalise financial institutions that were unable to cope, showing capitalisms failure during a time of heavy financial stress?

    On another note, Obama is not the be-all and end-all to the US’s problems, those whom hail him as such are absolute nincompoops. It is awkward to judge Obamas’ motives as he has a relatively broad spectrum of policies.

    The US’s dependence on oil is another big factor, and the fact that McCain and Palin neither endorse the notion that climate change is real, is human induced, and is a definite threat to humanity (not to mention nature), is a worry. This behavior in this day and age, by our future leaders is unacceptable, lead by example, tackle the tough issues and get things done!
    It has been proven that the current rate of climate change has been induced by human practices, primarily the burning of fossil fuels (along with CFC use etc.). Fossil fuels are just that, fossils. Relics of our past that must be phased out, in favour of sustainable or renewable energy resources.

    Since a majority of you are huge xenophobes, I don’t see how any of you can insist the US remain oil dependent, when the US is the worlds largest importer of oil, much coming from Saudi, Nigeria, Mexico, along with many others who contribute smaller quantities. This foreign dependence seems counterintuitive for many of you, maybe even hypocritical.

    Please, Please Please use your brain when voting, don’t just take one view on the issue, research it for yourself, and be sure that ‘your’ parties stance is really what you belive in. The rhetoric may preach one view, which is mot likely untrue. Those who don’t vote, do not have the right to complain when they don’t like the election results, they, again, are fools.

    But hey, what would I know?
    ØŸI’m not an AmericanØŸ

    P.S. I could keep going, but its late here and I want to go to bed.

  107. Anyone who is questioning Obama’s Americanism or calling him a socialist is just plain ignorant. Keeping the populace ignorant seems to be a goal of the Republican party – many of whom want to eliminate the Department of Education – including, at one time, John McCain. Here’s a few good reasons for electing Barack Obama – H’s a leader. He understands that “Trickle down economics” doesn’t work, has never worked and has been proven wrong time and time again. He was one of the few who understood that getting into a war with Iraq was a bad idea from the beginning. If I became pregnant and my life or health and ability to care for my 3 boys was threatened by the pregancy – Obama would leave the decision on what to do me, my husband, my clergy and my doctor – not a group of mostly men in Washington. He actually cares about the environment and will improve our economy while we try to save it. McCain has paid a lot of lip service to the environment during this campaign – but has a 26 year record of voting against it.

    All this talk about journalism dying is just a right wing talk radio stunt. Perhaps when virtually every Republican policy has been proven wrong – wish dire consequence here and abroad, it’s hard to make McCain’s positions sound as good as Barack Obama’s. And then… of course there’s the scariest thought of all – President Palin – Get out and vote folks – get out and vote!

  108. Dear Mike,

    Let me attempt to answer some of your questions but first I need to point out a glaring error in your attempt to quote scripture. Speaking about fish, what Jesus said is “I will make you FISHERS of men.” Not, give a man a fish & he will eat today…You know the rest.

    You obviously have never walked in the shoes of a black person in the United States. Barack Obama was speaking to the inequities that black people encountered since the Civil War which have yet to be addressed to this very day. Were they ever PAID for their forced labor? Were they ever given even the 40 acres & a mule to work their own land? How about Jim Crowe, the torturing & killing of black folk by the KKK!

    My family has worked hard all our lives. My mother raised 3 daughters doing maid work in rich people’s houses most of my childhood. My father was a DRUNK so I got ragged on alot by my peers because they came up in a 2 parent household in the good old days of the 50s & 60s. I have worked as a secretary in doctor’s & lawyer’s offices. I have worked for non-profit agencies providing services to people with developmentally disabled after the government of NYS had the good sense to close the “state schools” for the mentally retarded. I have gotten more joy in working in an ARC office because “our consumers” brought real meaning to the lives of those who worked with them.

    I love the Constitution of the United States & get angry with those who talk about the “separation of church & state.” I HATE labels such as liberal & conservative. Why? Because my Bible teaches me to give liberally (generously) & by giving to the poor I am lending unto the Lord. Because “my God” shall supply ALL my needs according to HIS RICHES in glory by Christ Jesus–MY LORD!

    You & so many of you who have added to this thread seem to believe that a person can’t love God & vote for Barack Obama. I prayed over my decision & it wasn’t until the end of the Democratic Convention that the light bulb went off in my head & God spoke to my heart that he had chosen Barack Obama “for such a time as this.” If you want the scriptural reference, go to the book of Esther in the Old Testament.

    FYI, I do NOT play the lottery because it is gambling & I don’t gamble unless you wanna count my 403B of which I have lost almost 50% of it in the past year due to the excesses on Wall Street.

  109. Ha ha, brainless Americans…

    ‘It does not matter what a person IS but what they grow to be.’
    Albus Dumbledore (Harry Potter books in the Childrens section!)

    If either of those candidates have the ABILITY to run the economy and awareness of a gnat to see through the acid rain of the Greenhouse effect and the gumption to take on the oil barons and FAT CATS who delay and bury new technology that would solve most problems…I’ll eat my hat!!!

  110. Okay…Is it just me or is the Mike who posted at 9:45 a different Mike than the one who posted at 10:07? G-d I hope so…lol…

    Sadly, on a more serious note, “most” of the people who vote for someone this coming Tuesday will be making a huge mistake. This mistake will stem from them being uneducated about the candidates. They will vote with their heart and not their mind. Even more sad is the fact that this election will potentially “divide” this great country of ours. Unfortunately, I see anger coming from both sides (Democrat and Republican) and am afraid that whomever becomes President will not have a chance in Hades to effectively perform their duties. If there has ever been a time in US history to pray, now may just be the best time to do so.

    Good luck to all….we’re going to need it.

    EKMA

  111. Gayle Davis must be on welfare, if she likes the re-distribution of wealth plan of B.O. If only she could come up with a GOOD reason for voting for him then one could respect her choice (not just for the poors free handout). As far as rich people go, they already pay around 95% of the taxes that help suport your welfare and other programs that people who are to lazy to earn on their own get. There is enough good and bad with both parties but before you spout off about any one party, get your facts straight. And I sure hope you don’t associate with the types of people that B.O. has. And you also need to remember that John McCain spent 5 years in a prison camp so you could write such crap without being tourtured or even killed like in other countries.

  112. When people make comments like this:

    “Obama is a lying, racist pinko.”

    Do they realize how ignorant they sound? Name calling never says anything about the person being called names….and says a lot about the person calling the names.

  113. By all means, all you haters should continue your worship of George Bush and his minions. You get the government you deserve. Idiots.

  114. Just an observation, If Obama applied for a job with the FBI or Secret Service he could NOT be hired for his associations with KNOWN terroirst. I find it amuseing that he cant even be his own body guard! The man has supported left wing terrorist , has known criminal “friends” who somehow helped him get his home,he has taught, lawyer for, given tax dollars to a so called get out the vote group in acorn , he is now claiming he is for second amendment rights when in fact he has voted for higher taxes and more control on gun owners . he wants to sit down with no preconditions with known anti American terrorist.
    face it folks this guys is trying to buy his way into the white house and the left wing foaming at the mouth koolaide drinking liberals are just eating up his every lie as if it where the word of God.

  115. Gayle Davis I hope you read this post. For your post is something to behold. You are apparently a Socialist, just taking from your comments. You state that the republicans have run the nasties campaigne and have used “used half-truths & innuendos” to smear Obama, yet you provide not one single piece of evidence to support your claim. Calling Obama a Socialist for starters is a whole truth and from the sounds of it one that you embrace. There is no innuendo to his “share the wealth” believe it goes way to with him to his earliest. He admits in his book “Dreams of My Father” that he sought out and hung around with radicals in general and Marxist in particular. Those are his words. He said in a radio interview in 2001 “one of the great failings of the civil rights movement was it failure to get through the courts a process of redistribution of wealth,that the constitution provided “negative rights” only stating what the government could not do and does not state what is “must do on your behalf”. This may sound harmless, but what it means is that Obama dismisses the very thing that our founding fathers were trying to achieve, that being a country where the vast rights to determine how one lived his live, where he lived etc. rested with the people and not the government. Obama also fails to mention in this interview that the constitution does in fact state what the government will do in your behald. The constitution makes a promise to the people of the United States in the preamble stating to “form a more perfect Union” the government will”establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty…”. Now maybe those words mean nothing to you. Obama thinks they mean nothing for he stated that the Constitutions “failure is that it states nothing as to what the government must do your behalf.” Well when I read the preamble I see exactly what the government will do on my behalf. He is the one that called his own tax plan a method to “spread the wealth”. He said on ABC Morning News that in order to “build this economy you must build it from the bottom up.” No body other than the radical left believes in just an economic approach.

    You seem so hung up on what others have and what you don’t. Do you have a job? How many jobs have you had? Do people in you family have jobs? I ask you how many of them are employed by poor people? How many do you employe? Your statements seem to say that all you life you have seem the rich take from the poor. mmmmm really. What do the poor have to take? Do you know the new testament saying “give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for life.”? Obama wants to make the fisherman give away his fish, which creates no wealth, allows the fisherman little ability to continue fishing, repair equipment, or expand by hiring others to fish. So that fisherman fishes everyday now only to support and feed himself. And to all those you received the fish, they consumed the fish. For they did not receive enough fish to sell any and invest in a business, so no wealth is created on that end and that person will be hungry tomorrow.

    But sadly I know that I can not help you for it appears you lack in the most basic understanding of human nature and economics. You think that all the rich got rich unfairly. They do not deserve the wealth they have and they stuff all that money in their mattress.

    And yet I suspect that you would like to be wealth? I bet you play the lottery every now and then. I’d would really like to know what the “rich” have taken from you? It is the rich that pay 95% of the our income tax. The rich give billions and billions of dollars away every year to charities, for medical research to find cures for diseases, to foundations that give scholarships to the poor, that fund all kinds of good works. How much have you given?

    In the Socialist state you seem to desire, like almost all socialist state now or have ever been, they punish the rich. They get and hold power by using class warfare. And if they last long enough soon there are no rich, except those running the government who keep telling the people how bad the rich are. But those in power become the only rich left and they do not do anything with their wealth that benefits their own people. The rest of the rich have fled.

    In a Republic free market economy where people can make choices with there time and money some will become rich because they are willing to take risk. An those rich by continuing to invest their money create the opportunity for everyone else to improve their life.

    It is simply amazing to me that someone like you can live in this country and complain about the “rich”. I got news for you compared with every other place in the world Americans are better off, have more of everything and have more opportunity to improve their lives. Even the poor in this country and sad as that can be, would not be considered poor in 95% of the other countries of the world. People come to this country to live by a standard of what we call poor because it is 1000x better than their conditions at home and their opportunities to improve their conditions are 10,000x better.

    Other people, even from places like Germany and Denmark (people i know) are amaze when they come here for the first time at all the food. Grocery stores so full of food and so many different types they can’t believe.

    And you have no idea why we in America have all this do you. It is because of our economic and political system. That allows people to take chances, to risk their money, ideas, time and efforts to try an do better. Our system still encourages investment. Only when people are willing to invest their money in something are jobs created. Obama’s idea of bottom up economic growth will not work has never worked will never work. The only thing that grows from that approach is the number of people on the bottom.

    Finally Gladys, our current economic state of affairs, this financail crisis is the sole result of the Democrates in congress encouraging two government companies Fannie and Freddie to invest and take greater risk than the free market would take on it own. Maybe the intentions amoung some of these democrates was good. The idea that homeownership was becoming a right instead of a privilge. That was a bottom up approach to spreading the wealth and you see where that got us. Now many thousands of people are much much poorer. Even some people who you might think were rich because instead of spending all their money they were saving for retirement. Now many of them will not be able.

    And the saddest part of all was that they were all warned about the crash that happened years ago. Every year since 2003 the democrates were warned, but because they were making money and because people in their districts were getting home loans to buy houses they could not afford these congressmen where buying votes. Now that it has all gone belly up you want to make President the man who receive more money than any other member of congress from Fannie and Freddy. If Fannie and Freddy where individuals they would be in jail. If they had been private companies all their officers would be going to jail.

    I ask you why would Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac give so much money to a freshmen senator from IL. More and I mean a lot more than almost anyone else? Only Chris Dodd and Barney Frank are even close and they are both chairmen of the Banking and Finance committees in the Senate and House. So why, what did the CEO’s of Fannie and Freddy to stole billions of dollars and lost trillions of dollars of our money, what do they know that they decided to give all this money to Obama?

    If he is elected President I will promise you that we will heard nothing more about Fannie and Freddy and the people who us to run them. All attention will be put on Wall Street. And while wall street had a role, their role was created by the very actions of fannie and freddy. All the rules changes and dropping of regulations on Wall Street was all the result of the market having to carry all these extreme high risk loans created by those two corrupt government companies.

    And now we are going to elect a man who helped it, who stood in the way when others were warning about the situation. Who use some of the vast funds given him to help block all efforts to regulate those two. Who said during the either the last or next to last debate in response to McCains statement that he and many others tried to stop Fannie and Freddy, Obama said and I quote “What John McCain isn’t telling you is that he was a late comer to take legislation, he didn’t sign on to it until the second year in 2006 and it was not passed.” Do you realize what Obama is saying here. He is actually critizing McCain because it took him a year to see the threat. But Obama never saw it, never signed onto the bill. And He is right it did not pass. 98% of Democrates including Obama voted against and 100% of Republican voted for it. Obama did not say the bill was trash or that it would not have helped.
    Marx said it a little differently “FROM each according to his ability TO each according to his need.”

  116. I see a lot of talk about ignorance and Americans on here,and the posts so far prove it. You give me one good reason not to vote for Obama or do you like the mess we’re sitting in right now and want four, eight years more of it? Talk about ignorance. They’ve hosed this country up one side and down the other, ignored warnings about bin Laden and let 911 happen, mismanaged two wars and are leaving it for the next guy to figure out what to do, demanded the right to torture and spy on their own citizens, given every kind of tax break to the rich and the corporations, deregulated and privitized everything and have our economy on a swift ride to hell, China has more of our money than we do, half our jobs are overseas and you want more? The junk you believe all you have to do is go to Snopes and find out it’s BS. Some of these comments are pathetic. I agree we need to read and get educated but read more than chain emails written by idiots.And I get the feeling most of you get your ‘facts’ from the guy on the next barstool.
    But it doesn’t matter. Next Tuesday we’ll have a new president. Barack Hussein Obama. Hope some of you morons enjoy it as much as I’ve ”enjoyed” the last 8 years from hell.

  117. I’ve watched part of the debates, listened to a lot of news stories. I don’t think I ever heard Obama answer a question that was asked of him.

    Obama is a good speaker, I’ll give him that, but then again there have been several men in the past who were good speakers (remember WWII)?

    I’d like to know his real relationship with the “reverend” Wright (how do you sit & listen to a preacher for 20+ years & don’t know what he believes in? And William Ayers, a former member of the radical group the Weather Underground. We’ll never know because Obama doesn’t want us to know!

    I cannot believe intelligent people listen to the garbage Obama puts out & then want to vote for him. But then again,”MONEY TALKS”.

    My vote is for John McCain, give me wisdom & age anyday over stupid & young!

  118. I notice that a few think Obama because he is unfairly branded as a Socialist. They are partly correct. He’s actually more of a Marxist, favoring abolishment of the checks and balances our founding fathers placed inthe Constitution. He won’t be happy with prodding Congress to pass the legislation he wants (altho he likes to act like he can deliver all by himself). He would love to appoint judges who will try and write legislation from the bench, rather than fairly decide issues based on the intent of the Constitution and laws passed. And he REALLY is not going to help business with his new taxes. Do any of the folks who like his plan REALLY THINK that his changes won’t drive new business and ESPECIALLY MANUFACTURING OFFSHORE? To vote for him is to vote for the erosion of any form of stable systems that may have a chance to keep our country running OK.

  119. What does it take to convince the American citizen that Obama is as shady as they come? Why won’t he answer some simple questions? Questions such as:
    1. Why won’t you provide an authentic copy of your birth certificate?
    2. Why won’t you recognize the official flag representing the United States of America?
    3. What purpose is that silly little circle that you use in place of the US flag? Why are you insisting that any/all media outlets that support you exhibit that phony US flag? Fox news is one outlet that requires their broadcasters to wear it. If they won’t wear it, they won’t work for Fox. Socialists!!
    4. Why won’t Obama swear into office on the Christian Bible, if elected? He has already stated that he’ll only swear in on the Koran!! Why is a Christian (he stated that himself) refusing to take the oath of office on the Bible? He has repeatedly stated he isn’t a Muslim. So why is he demanding to be sworn in on the Muslim “Bible”??? He’s a damn liar, that’s why.

    He’s a damn socialist, with no concerns about anything but himself. God help America if that loser gets into the Oval Office…

  120. I have tried to come up with any logical or intecllectual reason why anybody would be for Obama. Here is the list of reasons why someone would be for Obama, that I have come up with along with a short comment. 1)Been Democratic and will always vote for a Democratic no matter what. (While there are these type on people in both parties, I personally draw a line will not support just anyone. But people supporting Obama simply because they are Democrates would support Hitler today if he was a Democrate). 2)The financial crisis is the fault of the republicans. (this type person doesnot have a clue as to what happened, why and who allowed or failed to stop it. For this entire financial crisis lies at the doorstep of the Democrates in Congress, and if Obama is elected then the Fox will be in charge of the hen house). 3) I hate Bush period. (this person is one who will sell the country out becuase he/she hates the current President and by assoication his party. Yet these people defend and/or ignore Obama’s assoications with Marxist, Socialist, criminals etc. History shows that some of the worst, most devil men come to power in crisis based largely on the desire for “change”. Obama will be change that is for sure. 4) the Iraq war (this people are the ones that supported it back at the start, remember over 90% of people did, but now since they do have to take responsibility for there actions they can be against it now without have to think through the effects of following an Obama plan. But History tells what happens when a military power leaves a country before that country is stable. People die, millions of people die. Obama lack of charactered showed here more than anywhere. Ok he voted against the war, that fine, but when his view lost and troops went to war, what did Obama do. He voted to cut off funding, which meant that troops in harms way would not be able to upgrade their protection, repair there equipment, etc. Vote against is fine, but he says he wanted to save young american lives, but his vote should a total lack of concern for the lives of young americans, he was more interested to not upsetting his financial supporters here at home, supporter who anti military anything for any reason is well known. This man is concerned with only one thing. Gaining and holding power. His earlist support came from the extreme left not by accident but by choice for that is who he is.) 5) I am vote for the Supreme Court, not for President (I have at least two females in my family who have state exactly that to me. These type of people don’t give a rats ass for this country, the constitution, liberty or freedom. The only thing they care about is maintaining the a federal right to murder unborn children. This position is of offensive to me that I am considering cutting off all contact with these two family members. And it is not becuase they support abortion, but because they are willing to destroy this country and the constititution to do it. Roe v. Wade should be overturned. For there is no such right to abortion in the Constitution, no where. You had 5 old men who thought there should be and so they simply ignored the Constitution and made up the right. And people who want to see more judges that will simply ignore the wording and intend of the constitution are the most dangerous of all. Most recently 4 old men and one old lady decided that the constitution no longer provides or protects private property rights. They decided that section of the Constitution that did protect private property, by ONLY allowing it to be take for “public use” and provided the owners received fair and just compensation, means that public use can be another private owner who wants that land for his private use and fair and just compensation means the nothing that the government can condem the property and pay nothing. If this does upset everyone I don’t know what will. But this is what happens when you get five or more judges on the Supreme Court that think the constitution itself doesn’t matter, that they know whats right and the people are all idiots. Oh by the Obama thinks the US constitution is flawed that it doesn’t, as it should according to him, state what the govenment should do, but only what it can’t do. Obama doesn’t either understand or simply thinks the reasoning is wrong, that the constitution basic reason for existing was/is to limit the power of the government. To put/keep the power in the hands of the people. But Obama thinks that because in the real world some people succeed some don’t some take risk some don’t, and that this is unfair. That the constitution does not address “economic or social justice” is wrong. These are put code phrases for Socialism and Marxism. Share the wealth, build the economy for the bottom up, economic justice. These are all saying Obama believes in and has and continues to use. And they all mean the same thing. That only Obama and his kind knows what is best for everyone else, that only through the government involvement and control of your lives can their be fairness.
    God help us if he is elected. And to those poor fools who support him thinking that he ish going to bring a good and positive change, you are about to be shocked into the real world for unless you are one of the Socialist elite, which I doubt you are, you will become one of the victims of it.

  121. OK, people if you do not want Obama as president, we need to get anybody, not only macain supporters to vote for macain. He is the only one that can win. not that you will throw away your vote if you vote for someone else, it is just a half a vote for obama if you dont vote for macain.

  122. I’ll give one good reason to vote for Obama,In fact several,It basically comes down to this ,If your a Racist,Redneck, Retard or Rich Dick then your obviously a Republican.Now maybe some of those moderate Republicans can come around and see that compromise and bipartisonship is whats going to help this country get back on track,(Not constant negative attacks,blame game,scare tactics and same old Republican B.S.) as for the rest of the outta touch, ignorant,religious zealots, there hopeless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  123. The one thing I keep hearing over and over is that we need change. Well the change I care to see is NOT one where we put a guy in the white house that has less time in the senate than he does campaigning.

    I do not want a guy in the white house who would take money from Muslim extremist supporters. I will NOT stand by while O’bama cheats his way towards the white house. HE flat out said that he was not going to take funds from outside supporters and rely on the public campaign funds. But as soon as McCain said he would agree, O’bama started reeling in the big bucks from supporters and backed out of that agreement. That locked McCain into a lot less campaign funds than O’bama had..

    People get real, O’bama already knows the game in Washington. He’s playing it right now on you. You need to wise up, get real, and choose the better candidate.

    You need to vote McCain on 11/4/08!!!

  124. I do not like either candidate but i am pro-Life and would like to see people put on the supreme court who go by the constitution. I don’t trust Obama. too many thing the press will not print or ask Him. I will vote for Mccain.

  125. e cox you are so right i’ve been telling people “you think socialism works talk to a russian”the terrorists are cheering at the thought of obama in the white house,but it is the worse thing that could ever happen to this country say it with me people nobama nobama nobama

  126. Why is it the people who support McCain are so often the first to spread false accusations? Not all of them, you see, just the ones who post some of the nasty drivel I see here.

  127. If Obabama is elected what has been known as the silent white majority will soon be among other minorities if not stastictally, socially.

    We have no one to blame but ourselves.

  128. Practical Socialism, try this on for size.
    I’m sure 90% of Obama’s supporters fit the pay scale of the waiter in this example, maybe this will shed some light.

    Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign the read “Vote Obama, I need the money.” I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on a “Obama 08” tie, again I laughed–just imagine the coincidence.

    When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need– the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

    I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

    At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

  129. Not really happy about Palin, but no way do I want Biden.
    I would rather win the war then let down our men and women fighting over there. I would like to hear McCain say more about getting out over there. But to have Obama leave Iraq too soon will kill so many more people when civil war breaks out and have even more people in the world hating us for leaving them in the clutches of tyrants. Remember when we left Afghanistan after we helped Osama beat the Russians, he came after us. A word to the wise.

  130. Most people could tell you everything they know about Obama in less than 30 seconds. As Sarah Palin has pointed out, “Obama has talked the talk, but we’ve walked the walk.” At every stage in his life The One has had a Muslim, communist, racist, pervert, anti-American, or worse mentor. He has been groomed (a Muslim billionaire got him into Harvard) to be the Manchurian Candidate.

    Personally, I’m not really all that impressed with McCain as he has handled Palin with what approaches complete and utter ineptitude, while she is probably the most accomplished reformer and executive of the whole bunch.

    But while McCain doesn’t impress me, Obama scares the living crap out of me. And Joe Biden is a well-known, long-time nitwit whom Obama finally had to chain to the teleprompters so he doesn’t say something stupid…yet again! But the Big Media (no longer mainstream) gives this idiot a pass, while sharpening their knives for Sarah Palin, the governor of a state that’s sitting on top of a gazillion barrels of oil and an equivalent amount of natural gas. When the price of gasoline goes back up again (it will), comfort yourself by thinking about the caribou (which aren’t shrinking in large numbers as some might have you believe) while you’re paying $5+ for a gallon of gas.

    Obama may have the advantage, though, as he has 57 states to campaign in, where McCain only has 50 and a few territories.

    Got money? Wait until a Pres Obama starts giving tax cuts to the 40% of the public that pays no taxes, so their tax “cuts” will actually be a tax “credits,” formerly known as “welfare.”

    He’s mouth is writing checks that his arse can’t cash. Guess whose arses are going to cash these checks. Well, it will probably be the wealthy to some extent. Do YOU work for a wealthy person? When the bill comes due, do you REALLY expect to keep your job?

    Obama is a lying, racist pinko. To be nice about it.

  131. I agree with Conrad, people in America are so blind to the truth. When I hear people calling Obama the messiah, that’s wrong. It is simple, people can’t read anymore, and choose not to read and learn. They just watch the glass eye for education, and we now see what it has to say. I hope this election will prove me wrong and find some common sense and at least give us some hope. The world wants America to be like them, sorry not for me. We don’t need that kind of life style. We are the last of the free nations, just look at the world and you will know. It’s time to educate in our schools the things that are needed and discard the crap our educators are forced or volunteer to teach. Time to make an engineer and engineer, a teacher a teacher, etc. and not worry about someone’s sex preferences, or color, or origin. Time to teach what it takes to be free, it’s work, and sometimes death, but nothing is free, not even freedom. The U.S. has been dumbed down so much, that we have a bunch of ignorant people. Time for tea party. Obama is not the way to freedom. We need to judge and by becoming educated. That means work, hard work.

  132. The state of journalism has died and unremarkable death. Chris Mathews’s analysis seemed to gush & fawn that somehow Obama was likened to Moses bringing down the commandments hinting this infomercial was as holy, if not more. There was no policy, just a rambling mass social masturbation.

  133. I am proud to give my vote to Barack Obama & I’m an Independent voter. John McShame & the RNC have run one of the nastiest campaigns. They have used half-truths & innuendos to besmirch Senator Obama’s name. They call him a “socialist” yet all my life I have seen breaks given to rich folk while people of lesser means struggled so the FAT CATS could get FATTER! Republicans take from the poor & middle class to give to the RICH! If Barack Obama is a socialist, what are the Republicans? I liked the story of Robin Hood because, cuz as a child we were dirt poor. Give me a modern day Robin Hood instead of The Grinch!!!

  134. Give me one good reason why anyone should vote for Obama. Just one. And don’t hand me the old line, “because he’s fresh.”

    And let’s see his real American Birth Certificate! Obama is a socialist and socialists are not good for America.

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